Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

A weird take on it.
If so, why are the Palestinians so obliging?

The version I've heard is that Trump's people were in contact with Netanyahu and warned him that they wanted a ceasefire by Monday or there would be consequences. Nobody seems to be buying into the idea that Biden has brought about the ceasefire (this type of ceasefire could easily have happened 9 or 12 months ago but that pathetic waste of space brought no pressure to bear on the Israelis at all).

He'll take credit for what makes him look good. Anything that doesn't make him look good is someone else. Trumps gonna Trump.

To be fair to him, he's definitely a big influence on the ceasefire deal. The Israeli's don't know if they can depend on him.

You must be the reincarnation of Fidel Castro so, you created a whole thread as a means of whataboutery and 90% of your posts are what about this war, what about this war 😂 genuinely made me lol

I'm not sure where you lump me in left v right, but I've never voted left (unless you consider Fianna fail left, which is as far as I've gone) - though maybe from where you sit everyone is "the left", as there seems to be cross party support for Irelands actions regarding Israel/ Gaza, and we are one of the most pro business countries in Europe, which would be a major facet of "the right".

I think everyone normal (slightly left or slightly right or in the middle) is happy there is a ceasefire in this war, but through using their faculties are skeptical it will hold given one side is an extremist Islamic terrorist organization (need I say more), and the other is a government under the influence of its own extremist terrorists (Gvir etc), which happens to be headed by a notorious liar who is a wanted war criminal under suspicion for enacting a genocide (internationally), and for corruption (domestically).

I have no idea why the right, who traditionally stand for law and order, would be anywhere near supporting this guy and his government, but there you go

Perhaps you missed the bit where I posted that I was glad there is a ceasefire?

You also seemed to missed the bit where I stated my issue - Israel is not to be trusted and they will continue killing Palestinians.

Israel is viewed as a pariah around the world. Ear Crimes and Genocide cases are with the ICC and ICJ. My voice on how bad Israel is irrelevent. Just as your support of Israel is.

The post I responded to was about Netanyahu?

I reckon Palestinians/hamas will be just as eager, if not more so to kill Israelis

Just a thought: but if the roles were reversed and it was Hamas/Palestine with the overwhelming superiority in terms of firepower, would they stop the killing?

And hamas aren't in the westbank. So what's the justification for the occupation there? If it was just military they could say it's to stop attacks originating from there. But it's not just military it's colonization. And I've yet to see a single person here justify the colonization.

They will however use Palestinian reaction and resistance to the colonisation to justify Israeli attacks on Palestinians.

On the contrary, dropping 2000lb bombs with a kill radius of 700m in heavily populated areas will only achieve one thing - annihilation of any living thing.

But of course, we also know Israel has murdered journalists, medics, aid workers, a little girl in a car and the 2 medics trying to help her, 1000 kids who didn't reach their first birthday, nuns and even sheep.

That's why the ICC has arrest warrants out for War Crimes.

Yep - "crack on with your war crimes lads, just don't get caught"

The creation of the GDR and the subsequent building of the Berlin Wall (none of which happened in wartime) was seen as a major wrong by the German people and politicians and media and by the 1960s, they were openly speaking out against it.

Certainly there may have been 'negotiations' held over the past 15 months. But it looks like Blinken and the other pro-genocide people in the US administration (some names that immediately spring to mind are Miller, Sullivan, Hochstein) have ensured that they never came to anything, and indeed actively encouraged the genocide by continuing to supply Israel with information, aircraft, bombs and other equipment and ammunition, day in day out.

Blinken deserves to be locked up for the rest of his life for his part in the murder and destruction, as its major enabler - along with Biden; who will not suffer anything owing to his dementia and age.

I seem to remember in one of the other episodes in this war - it could have been 2008, 2012 or even 2014 - where pictures and videos were shown of children writing messages of hatred on bombs that were going to be dropped on Gaza.

Two things immediately spring to mind here: first, the indoctrination involved in this, with those children being taught to hate Palestinians and also that bombing your neighbour is a fine way to behave. Second - those kids are now of an age where they would be participating in the current slaughter and destruction.

In fairness, it isn't just children - here's a governor of the US state of S Carolina and would-be US president doing the same:

And over the past year, they have been preparing the next crop of genocidal murderers:

None of them ever respond to this. It's as if they just skip anything that 'arms dump'. 'human shield', 'Hamas control centre' etc can't be blamed on.

Out of interest, how many Israelis did the Palestinians kill in the last 24 hours? We know 81 Palestinians have been killed but I don't recall seeing any reports of Israeli civilians being killed?

Its highly likely that since Oct 7th, Israelis have killed more Israelis than Palestinians have killed Israelis.

Remember the three surrendering hostages? The ones waving white flags, stripped to the waist, shouting "surrender" in Hebrew? And the line of 70 plus vehicles taken out by an attack helicopter (Israeli of course, because Hamas don't have attack helicopters) when the Hannibal Directive was issued? Plus the 11 Israelis confirmed killed in the Kibbutz by an Israeli Merkava Battle Tank?

So, its more likely that Israelis will be killed by Israelis (serving in "the most moral army in the world") than Palestinians.

Just a thought of my own - if Israel used a nukes on Gaza, would they limit it to just the one?