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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I find it deeply disturbing that you are laughing at the fact a terrorist who could possibly murder people could live here.

    It's strange to say the least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,374 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Obviously you're just making stuff up in an attempt to try and make other posters look bad.

    There are many terrorists living in Ireland, have been for decades.

    And I hate to break it to you, but anyone can kill anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    immigration obviously a total mess, but thankfully the public have finally copped on and are very aware of the link between too much immigration and the dysfunctional Irish housing market.

    Unfortunately the Government, and political parties in general, still haven’t any real answers. My fear is that it could become like the health service, where everyone agrees it is terrible, but few effective measures are introduced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,273 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    More importantly who is going to live in them. It's also nowhere near enough. By 2030 there will be 5 years more worth of Irish looking for a House and countless immigrants. The housing crisis will be just as bad and let's not forget they'll not hit the target anyway. Will they be punished the next election?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Nobody is making up anything, it's their for everyone to see.

    The only person who made you look bad is you.

    Maybe edit your post to take out the laughing emoji and people won't notice.

    It is very distasteful for someone to put terrorists and laughing faces in the same sentence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Phat Cat


    Ah yeah, it's pie in the sky stuff, 60k homes per year is a very conservative figure, and given their track they won't even obtain those targets. They also failed to mention how many of these new homes will be 'built to rent'. I actually shudder thinking of how much rent will cost in 2030. By then our population will have grow by possibility another 10% and wages will still have stagnated in comparison to the cost of living.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,374 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    There.

    Not getting involved in your personal posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,418 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    immigration obviously a total mess, but thankfully the public have finally copped on and are very aware of the link between too much immigration and the dysfunctional Irish housing market.

    The housing market became dysfunctional because of the policy of cheap and easy to access credit.

    Wasn't that long ago we were bulldozing housing estates. That was dysfunction, 110% mortgages was dysfunction.

    Also the public have returned the 2 parties that have been in charge for the past 100+ years again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    And what is rarely taken into account is that employers are waiting for housing to become cheaper so they can bring in more people. In other words, what ever the requirement is estimated at present, it will never be enough.

    And the housing situation is so bad that builders and construction specialists (who are actually needed by the country) can't be brought in because the situation they would be solving has got so out of control.

    We have dug ourselves a very deep hole and the only solution our leaders have is to keep digging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    programme for government dropped

    Page 123+ is on immigration

    IMG_5647.jpeg

    On subsequent pages:

    larger fines for airlines

    Gardai in third country airports

    state accommodation (we back to direct provision?) freeing up hotels



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,555 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    But not everyone is motivated to do so.

    It's important to note that there hasn't been a terrorist attack in the Republic of Ireland in 50 years.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,374 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Unfortunately that is not true. We have indeed have many terrorist attacks. And many more stopped.

    Perhaps you should tell the other poster there is nothing to worry about, they seem to think they are ready to kill everyone!

    Some terrorist activity attacks in the last 35 years

    February 1991 – Two crude incendiary bombs in an O’Connell Street department store failed to go off. They were planted by the Loyalists, Gardaí believe it was the work of the UFF.[61]

    25 May 1991 - Eddie Fullerton, a Sinn Féin councillor in Buncrana, Inishowen, County Donegal, is shot dead in his home by a unit from the UFF in nearby Derry.[62]

    27 - 28 July 1991 - UFF exploded seven incendiary devices in a number of shops in the Republic of Ireland. No injuries.[63]

    29 March 1992 - In Dublin, Garda confirm incendiary device started fire in city centre store. It is believed either the UVF or UFF are responsible[64]

    28 September 1992 - A blast bomb left outside a Dublin-based bank nearby was defused. The "Red Branch Knights" (believed to be a cover name for the Red Hand Commando) claimed responsibility.[65][66]

    10 December 1992 - The UFF carried out seven firebomb attacks on shops in Moville and Buncrana, both towns in Inishowen, County Donegal, and in Dublin.[67]

    18 September 1993 – On the day of the All-Ireland hurling final, Loyalists claim responsibility for planting a small bomb and cutting communication cables near to Store Street Garda station.

    5 January 1994 – Two members of the Irish Army bomb disposal unit were injured when a parcel bomb sent by the UVF to the Sinn Féin offices in Dublin exploded during examination at Cathal Brugha barracks.[69]

    24 January 1994 - Incendiary devices that had been planted by the UFF, were found at a school in Dundalk in County Louth and at a postal sorting office in Dublin.[69]

    21 May 1994 - Martin "Doco" Doherty (35), a member of the IRA Dublin Brigade, was shot dead by the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) as he attempted to stop a bomb attack on The Widow Scallans Bar, Pearse Street, Dublin, where a Sinn Féin (SF) function was taking place. Another man was seriously wounded in the attack.[70]

    8 June 1994 - A small incendiary device was found in a snooker hall in Trim in County Meath, which was planted by the UFF, the device was found after the UDA issued a statement saying firebombs had been planted in the Republic of Ireland.[71]

    12 September 1994 - The UVF planted a bomb on the Belfast-Dublin train. At Connolly station in Dublin the bomb only partially exploded slightly injuring two women.[72][73]

    3 March 1997 - A 2.5kg bomb partially detonated behind the Sinn Féin office in Monaghan Town. The device was later made safe by the Irish Army.[74] It is thought members of the Mount Vernon UVF were to blame.[75]

    25 May 1997 - a small bomb was found and defused in Dundalk. It is believed it was planted by a dissident Loyalist paramilitary like the Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF).[76]

    23 February 1998 - The LVF claimed responsibility for planting a small car bomb outside a Garda station in Dromad, County Louth, Republic of Ireland. It was spotted and defused by the security forces. The LVF threatened further attacks in the Republic.[77]

    8 May 1998 - A pipe bomb which was hidden in a package was sent to a Dublin tourist office. The device was discovered and defused. It is believed the LVF was behind the failed attack.[78]

    15 July 1998 - A package addressed to a Dublin hotel, which was believed to have been sent by the LVF, exploded while it was being examined at the Garda Technical Bureau in Dublin. Two were injured in the blast.[79]

    • 19 July 1991 - Thomas Oliver (43) a civilian from Dundalk in County Louth was shot dead by the IRA who claimed he was a police informer. Oliver's body was found in Bellek in County Armagh.[111]
    • 10 February 1994 - Dominic McGlinchey, the INLA's former Chief of Staff, was shot dead in Drogheda. It has never been established who was responsible or why.[112]
    • 5 March 1996 - INLA volunteer John Fennell was beaten to death by other INLA volunteers in Bundoran, County Donegal, in the course of an internal dispute.[115]
    • 7 June 1996 - Jerry McCabe, then a Detective in Garda Síochána (the Irish police service), was shot dead during a post office robbery in Adare, County Limerick. The Provisional IRA was believed to be responsible.[116]
    • 4 June 1997 - INLA volunteer John Morris was shot dead by the Gardaí during an armed robbery in Inchicore, Dublin.[117][118]
    • 1 May 1998 - Ronan MacLochlainn (28), a dissident Irish Republican Army (IRA) member, was shot dead when the Garda Síochána (the Irish police) foiled a raid by six armed men on a security van near Ashford, County Wicklow. The raid was believed to be carried out by the Real IRA.[119]

    (All taken from Wikipedia)

    Not to even go near the 1980s, when there were many more!

    And a tiny sample of terrorist activity that has been stopped by Gardai in the last 15 years.

    Police foil huge dissident Semtex bomb plot | BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

    https://search.app/2CREN9MGEXDucZz68

    Gardai foil dissident bomb plot | Irish Independent

    https://search.app/PnCvB9mEFUUNWwj5A

    Irish police foiled dissident bomb attack says Ahern - BBC News

    https://www.bbc.com/news/10143576



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    You can see also in that document what I would call 1980s thinking:

    "300,000 Extra Jobs
    This Government will:
    • Target the creation of 300,000 extra
    jobs by 2030, supported by strategic
    investments, supportive enterprise
    policies, and a focus on fostering a
    vibrant economy"

    We have full employment, that means workers to fill those 300,000 extra jobs will have to be brought in. Many of them will bring their families. Where are they going to live?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,846 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    There were no ad hominem remarks unless you are talking about your own post above there ,.

    Opinions were expressed based on the flow of conversation in reply to a poster who stated that certain actions " were not racist because …" This was refuted but not in reference to any person posting here just in general terms

    So other posters cannot reply unless they agree, is that it ??

    I or anybody else do not have to quote posts from here (3/4 pages only )or anywhere else to know what racist language looks like .

    There have been many posts of that nature on the other threads, which have most likely been deleted , quite rightly at this stage so good luck finding those now

    Unless you are asserting that you have been called a racist , and wrongly , you have of course not been libelled so am interested to see why you think that is the case .

    That's sounds like somebody trying to shut down a discussion on what constitutes racism .

    Isn't freedom of speech something that people want or is it just in one direction it is being sought ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,846 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    If any research is shown to be from a position of bias it can be disregarded or ruled irrelevant.

    Not saying this as I am not familiar with it but somebody's own work would not usually be be taken seriously only if they were a well known researcher in the field .

    Is he self publicizing his work ?

    Is it peer reviewed ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭_Quilombero_


    How are they going to achieve this move away from private accommodation to housing people on State land. Legal proceedings have put the brakes on those government owned favelas. Athlone at a standstill, Thornton Hall the same. The tented cities have been a disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,846 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    What a negative outlook for the economy you have there Phat Cat !

    Why do you think wages will have stagnated ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,074 ✭✭✭prunudo


    In the 300,000 new homes being promised in the same document. I actually despair at the leprechaun mathematics being rolled out in the programme for government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,846 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Maybe the 300,000 jobs might just be returning emigrants , coming home as things improve generally , some of whom might be builders or construction tradesmen ?

    Not every cloud has a dirty grey lining !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,074 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I really hope you're right, but recent experience has shown me that the current crop of FFG will make an absolute haims of things.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,048 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    State accommodation is a bit vague a description. It would be great to see hotels back in the tourist market, but the govt has to house the IPAs somewhere.

    Will we see more office blocks converted for IPAs.

    Old KBC bank in D2 looks to be headed for emergency accommodation and there are other office blocks used for the same purpose.

    Either way, If the govt cant get the large scale accomodation centres up and running, its hard to see a housing solution outside of hotels, which is not a good solution for anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Are pensioners from India and Pakistan allowed settle into Ireland now aswell ?

    Mod - warned for trolling/racism

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,033 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Ensure that people who arrive here
    from safe countries, with false or no
    documents, or who have crossed borders
    illegally are subject to an accelerated
    processing system so that decisions are
    made quickly.
    Any applicant whose international
    protection application has been refused
    in another EU member state will be
    subject to an accelerated hearing under
    an inadmissibility procedure.

    Why should someone who comes from a safe country with false or no documents have a speedy processing system, if anything, not accept them or put them in at the end and anyone refused asylum in another EU country should also be refused here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,137 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Are you really getting "deeply disturbed" at people using smileys on the internet or is this satire?

    🤣🤣🤣

    Let's hope it's satire. Surely no one would expect to be taken seriously while stating they are offended by the use of a smiley on the internet.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,965 ✭✭✭buried


    I suppose if somebody on the internet added a laughing emoji after stating an ipas centre was attacked, you wouldn't be offended either?

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,137 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    👆🏿🤣

    That's not what happened though is it.

    Ismael Watson committed no attack that we know of on anyone and that poster did not mock any act a terrorist committed. But instead posted a smiley at someone being surprised that someone who was probably convicted for membership of a terrorist organisation might live in Ireland.

    You know seeing as we have loads of home grown terrorists.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,965 ✭✭✭buried


    Lets say it did happen though Robbie, how would that make you feel?

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Most people on here rejoice when those ipas centres are attacked and love every second of it. They can hardly contain themselves at the thought of a "civil war", "blood on the streets" etc. That's their wet dream.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,965 ✭✭✭buried


    Bullet The Blue Shirts



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Good post. Freedom of speech is something you hear a lot about but it seems to only go one way for some and the toys are thrown out of the pram when someone has a different opinion. People are entitled to their opinions, as has already been stated.



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