Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

Chicken and egg. There are not enough trades people to build the required housing and infrastructure for the existing population. You could say retrain people here - but then who are going to do the jobs they vacate?

That's all well and good but even that has consequences. Who are going to be the barrista's and deliveroo riders?

Also, something that western countries need to understand also - if we only allow immigration from highly skilled workers in poorer countries it actually makes the environment in their home countries more likely to result in unskilled workers seeking to leave. Highly skilled or highly trained workers in developing countries are more likely to create economic growth in their own country resulting in improved opportunities for others and decreasing the push factor.

One potential idea is that you import unskilled workers, on fixed term visa's and train them here to do the jobs we cannot fill. That way you are not contributing to a brain drain from their home country and in a few years time they could go back to their home country with new skills to help drive growth at home reducing the push factor. Problem is how do you ensure they stay after training and don't take their skills elsewhere.

That's all well and good but even that has consequences. Who are going to be the barrista's and deliveroo riders?

The ones that are here already. Do we currently need more visa applications from Barrista's or people involved in the construction sector. Equally do we really need to be allocating scarce accommodation space to people who only work part time. These are the hard questions and discussions we need to have when our resources are so thin on the ground.

Genuine question. Can statistics be considered racist or just facts or both?

For example is the recent damning study on immigration into the Netherlands racist?

Reminder this study is done by our very own Seamus Mac and Bhaird from county Louth. Young man with a PHD in population and genetics. He knows what he's talking about.

Why on earth is this man allowed into this country? Caught in an undercover sting, rest assured fella there'll be none of that nonsense here.

Can Helen mcentee get promoted to minister for offensive nursery rhymes in the next dail n we get someone with a backbone in , ta

”One potential idea is that you import unskilled workers, on fixed term visa's and train them here to do the jobs we cannot fill.”

I don’t mean to be rude but honestly this is like a child’s conception of how the world works

Do you know how long it takes to train a tradesman?
Where are these people going to live in the interim? What are they going to live off?
Why can’t we just direct those resources to training our own people?

If they’re already skilled tradespeople they’re more than welcome. Otherwise jog on, we’ve enough issues to work on without setting ourselves up as some free academy for the world

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Yeah so you didn’t address any of my questions in terms of how your idea would actually work in practical terms

We’ll have a shortfall in infrastructure if we can’t develop enough of our own talent or attract enough skilled overseas talent. Bringing in randomers from god knows where with lower levels of educational attainment, English competency and zero construction skills is not going to help our infrastructure - it actually just puts more pressure on our existing infrastructure

Similar to their neglect on house building the government have done an appalling job over the last 20 years in developing pathways for people to enter trades in this country. Everything was about going to university no matter what.
Now we’re at the point where we’ve a load of people with pointless degrees who would have been better off going into a trade. I’ve seen a couple of schemes announced to try address that but it needs much more funding and promotion.
For my part I did my degree and a masters. I have a good job now in a good company, but if I’d the chance to do it all again I would go straight from school into an electrician apprenticeship - but unfortunately at the time it wasn’t properly respected as the fantastic skill it is and I would’ve been dissuaded from it. That whole attitude has to change and it should start here with our own people.

For my part I did my degree and a masters. I have a good job now in a good company, but if I’d the chance to do it all again I would go straight from school into an electrician apprenticeship

I know a lot of sparks but they have a different view, they would prefer to do the opposite. Not exclusive to sparks either.

It's all relative. Certain people will always have an image of the grass is greener elsewhere.

Never too late within reason to upskill or change career, especially if you have got a good work history and skills.

Those low paying jobs don't pay enough to live in society but that same society relies on the output of those low incomes jobs.

No doubt- probably sees himself as English as Colman's mustard.

So a fella gets nabbed preparing terrorist acts in the UK, gets a five year stretch and relocates to Ireland on release.

Our cops are monitoring him now. Why isn't he deported from here, like today?

He must not have an international travel ban in the UK. If he had such a ban he would not be eligible for travel under the terms of the CTA.

The UK has an answer to a question posed of them during the tory rule for a similar situation and they also are not auto applying an exclusion order.

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2019-03-13/HL14521

No doubt- probably sees himself as English as Colman's mustard.

I don't know what he sees himself as, but he is most definitely English.

Scouse to be exact.

He married a Muslim girl who reported him to the police because he became unhinged.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123059269#Comment_123059269He isn't in Ireland, he is in custody in the UK - according to who, you?

Maybe read the first line of the article n come back to me👌

convicted terrorist who showed a “willingness to kill” for the Islamic State (IS) relocated to Ireland after being released from a UK prison.

An Garda Síochána’s counter-terrorism unit has been monitoring the activities of Ismael Watson (34), who served a five-year jail term for preparing terrorist acts.

You would think a terrorist, would be on a watch list and travel banned