Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Trump is absolutely no friend of Palestine. That man couldn’t give a fook how many people die in Gaza.

A good result for Israel and most of all, the people of Gaza. Hamas is to no longer rule Gaza, that is a win for anyone and everyone. Getting the hostages back too, is a good outcome.
Hamas, the ultimate slow learners.

I think we all know that Trump's only principle and loyalty is to himself. He's not a committed zionist because he has no commitments other than to himself. However I think it's obvious that he actively dislikes the Palestinian cause. I don't know how far that makes a difference to what he will do in office.

I’d be hard-pressed to think of a better country to provide troops. They are perfect for the job: a neutral country with a natural bond with the Palestinian people. It’s time for these men and women to step up to the plate. I’d imagine Fatah, what’s left of Hamas, and the rest of the Palestinian people would be delighted to see their Irish brothers and sisters on the streets of Gaza.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the genocide case. Will they drop it or proceed and risk a loss? Either way, it’s hard to see how Ireland emerges from this situation positively.

I really hope Trump takes a hard stance on Iran. A wide range of crippling sanctions could make it nearly impossible for the regime to survive the next four years. If this happens, Israel will emerge from this horrible and tragic period stronger than ever.

I don't think the ceasefire will last long so the idea of placing Irish troops in the firing line is pretty sick. Some posters just seem to mimic Alan Shatter: hating Ireland because we don't agree with israels occupation. Will be years i think till un would have troops there.

I've already contributed.

the Israelis will be delighted… keep sendin the bombs, the paddies will pay

Noone is going to put their soldiers into Gaza (IMO). That would require some level of masochism. First, they would probably have whatever is left of Hamas/armed gangs shooting at them. If that were all, maybe they could cope with it eventually if they could get the population on side.

However they also can expect to be droned & missiled by the IDF regularly (accidentally on purpose!), whenever Israeli govt. or population is unhappy with the foolish govt. who sent them and wants to use them as a whipping boy, prove some point and show who is really the boss.

"Not much of a colonial state if they are withdrawing (again) from land."

I see no sign of them withdrawing from the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem, the Golan etc.

No one needs to worry about Irish peacekeepers in Gaza. We talked and acted our way out of being an honest broker so there is no danger of us having any even miniscule say in the aftermath of all this. Israel won't accept Ireland as any kind of interlocutor or participant in any of this.

That's where student union politics and a lack of foresight, strategic thinking for the very people you claim to sympthatise with, and common sense puts you. Firmly on the outside, no say, ignored.

Its you promoting the idea of irish troops being stationed in danger. We have seen in Lebanon that both parties have no problem at taking shots at our troops so why would you want them in Gaza. Given that you are probably not a soldier its a pretty reckless thing to suggest but i guess they are only Irish troops to you. You seem to have more concenr for the idf than the Irish troops.

Do not underestimate the antics of Smotrich and convicted terrorist Ben-Gvir.

And do not think for a second that War Criminal #1 has always had the freedom of the hostages as his number 1 priority.

• Far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir called on Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich to join him and tell Netanyahu that they will both quit the government if Israel agrees to the cease-fire deal. Later on Tuesday, Smotrich met with Netanyahu to talk about the details of the agreement.
  
• In his statement, Ben-Gvir said that his party had succeeded "in the past year, through our political power" to scupper a hostage deal but that his party was "no longer the decisive factor" because more parties backing a deal had since joined Netanyahu's coalition. Netanyahu has serially denied that the Israeli government was to blame for the failure to achieve a hostage deal, saying that it was Hamas' fault alone.

"For eight full months, the same deal that is now on the table was presented time and time again by Qatar and the United States. But Netanyahu only had politics and his own survival in mind, and then the U.S. election and Trump's inauguration. This level of callousness, cruelty, disregard for the hostages and indifference toward their traumatized families – who he even blamed for undermining him – and the sheer recklessness in prosecuting a war with no defined, tangible and attainable objectives is staggering even by Mr. Netanyahu's standards. 

Even his harshest critics and most vehement detractors didn't think a year ago that it would get to this"– Alon Pinkas

Reporting that Hamas has agreed to a draft agreement on a ceasefire:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-01-14-2025-a1495c0f4f13102903ce31a862c49baa

Israel Cabinet needs to approve as well. Suggestions are it will, before 20 Jan.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-ceasefire-talks-01-13-2025-395e030947f9964f3fbf5763b9564591

The high moral ground doesn't suit you Marko. Not when you've feigned concern for fabricated pogroms (whilst genuine pogroms are actually happening in Gaza and the WB to which you're markedly silent)

But sure lets have a look at the realpolitik of it.

Israel has been cooked alive over the last year. Folks who had no idea of the conflict have now seen them to be the c**ts that they truly are, the complete one sidedness of it, why they're hated in that region and now around the world. It's nothing to do with being Jewish, it's to do with the fact they hide their ethno-supremisim(sic) behind an incredibly thin veil of Judaism. What's more but the US have chosen that's the sword they want to die on as well. They've effectively shown the world that western values amount to little more than ethnic cleansing but with suits.

Israel has won this war with one metric only; body count… Which to be honest its pretty easy to do when you carpet bomb an enclave for 16 straight months and sniper kids to up your numbers. So yeah…. congrats to them on that I suppose. They've really racked it up there.

Oh and finally Ben Gvir repeatedly scuppered hostage deals and is trying to scupper this one (the Times of Israel is Hamas!!!!!), so it wasn't Hamas all along…. hmmm…. where are those useful …… posters now?

Lost the war?

Haha, honestly!

Assad gone from Syira.
Hamas gone from Gaza.
Hezbollah decapitated.
The Iranian mullahs pulling back across the region, as its afraid of Tump..
All hostages to be freed.

But Israel lost?

Israel rightly or wrongly does not care about public sentiment in places like Ireland. Once the ceasefire is agreed and put into practice, this will drop down the news items. The months and years will go on, and people will largely forget about this war, given that there will be other events that will take up the headlines.

There may be another attack on Israel in years to come, and the same military response lies in wait for them.