"Green" policies are destroying this country

From reading threads like this and other objective balanced media many people like myself installed solar with eyes open as to its unreliability especially when most needed

However, I've spoken to people who are somewhat surprised as to how poor their solar generation is proving during the winter months contrary to the sales person's pitch. Not surprisingly really, those who have a vested interest in pushing a particular agenda will rarely provide a balanced view

Isn't that the point being refuted by some on here though? It's not possible to have a net green grid in Ireland supplied only by renewables such as solar and wind. So unless we relent and consider nuclear (not saying we should at this btw) we can never have a renewable only grid.

We can certainly have a renewable supported grid and the more the merrier, subject to the usual economic consideratuons. Surely no one would advocate a Dail bicycle shelter equivalent electricity grid. It can't be renewable any any financial cost. That would be pure lunacy for future generations

Population largely don't want wind farms either - every time a windfarm is proposed there are widespread local objections.

I have thus often seen it suggested that windfarms should somehow bypass normal planning and be able to ignore NIMBYism, or per the recent court case which appears to have been met with widespread approval from many green quarters, that climate targets should have the ultimate deciding factor when choosing to grant or deny permission for them.

All I can say to that is - be very careful what you wish for if you're going to allow infrastructure be decided based solely on the grounds of climate emergency measures…

So to be clear, you are referring to the 37GW offshore wind plan. Correct ?

Ok, one more time, with added pictures for the hard of understanding…

Clo-Clo: The grid at the moment was never promised to be 100% renewal, unless you think it was? it was always going to be a mix of fuel sources like wind, sun, gas etc etc. Even when we move forward it will be a similar mix but more towards renewal technologies.

ps200306: You've been trotting out the same misinformation about this incessantly for what must be a couple of years now, ever since you posted a link to what you claimed was Ireland's climate action plan but was merely an interim document to 2030. You've been corrected dozens of times but refuse to acknowledge it. Ireland's 2050 plan is for zero fossil fuels, with primarily wind generation back by hydrogen storage. (It's not going to happen, of course, but that doesn't mean it's not the plan).

Clo-Clo: In terms of the second part, you are off on a tangent, I posted the link to a government document which you seemed totally unaware of. That's not my issue. As I posted the grid currently has always been said to be a mix. Not sure what the tangent is about so leave you at it .

ps200306: Nope, I was aware of it. It was the government draft climate action plan to 2030. I pointed out to you that the plan for 2030 was not the same as the plan for 2050, and gave you a link to the correct document. Yep, and that's where you've always been wrong from the start. You haven't even read the right document. I've corrected you on this maybe 20 times. At this stage it's fairly obvious you don't want to "get it".

Clo-Clo: The story about the document is imaginary and you created it to cover up your own ignorance. Best of luck on your travels.

Let's see if we can nip this in the bud for once and for all. There are literally dozens of posts on here where you claim you posted the government plans. I've corrected you practically every time. So has charlie14. You never seem to want to repost your original link, so I'm going to do that for you. I guess you're hoping the evidence is long lost in the bowels of the thread (as this goes all the way back to at least September 2023, with your posted link in November that year). Now you've the audacity to claim the whole thing is imaginary. Unfortunately for you, the web never forgets. All it takes is genius-level powers of web scraping, which I happen to have 🤣. No point in just providing you with links because you won't follow them, like the Jesuits refusing to look through Galileo's telescope. So there will be screen shots too.

How are we doing so far? Do you want to claim that's NOT the document you posted, right along with the claim that there was no plan to get rid of natural gas?

Now, as it happens, your original link is broken due to a reorg on gov.ie. But there's no problem finding it again, along with the document to which it refers. Just google the words in your link. Here's the government's original Tweet that went with it:

https://x.com/Dept_ECC/status/1724468268742697293

Here's Eamon Ryan's cringeworthy retweet, with a pic of him and half a dozen "suits" clutching the report:

https://x.com/EamonRyan/status/1724798146314944687

Here's your original link archived on the Wayback Machine (thanks j62):

https://web.archive.org/web/20231117010120/https%3A//www.gov.ie/en/press-release/2c689-government-publishes-first-of-its-kind-strategy-for-irelands-energy-security/

And here's the document itself:

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/5c499-energy-security-in-ireland-to-2030/

Are we happy that's the document YOU linked and subsequently referred to dozens of times? No matter how many times it was pointed out to you that the very title of the document refutes you? For example:

Any masochists among us can go and read numerous pages on this thread (for instance 574, 575, 576, 583 and others) in which you repeatedly bleat on about "the government document you posted" despite repeated correction. Meanwhile I posted you various strategy documents about how we planned to eliminate natural gas by 2050.

So, do you now want to reconsider the following? (probably not, given past performance, but I thought I might as well give you the opportunity — it's much too late for you to save face but you could still have the decency to apologise):

Clo-Clo: The story about the document is imaginary and you created it to cover up your own ignorance.

Meanwhile, Government formation is very quickly crystallising.

From the Irish Times reportage tonight:

It is expected the new deal will not continue the previous coalition’s commitment to a 2:1 spend favouring new public transport projects over new roads. The commitment was trumpeted by the Green Party in the last programme for government. A source involved in the drafting said the programme would be “silent” on the ratio of spending.

A senior source said that with increased capital spending on big public transport infrastructure projects like Metro and Dart, the ratio would likely remain at the same level or higher.

The next government will be “ambitious on public transport and roads”, a figure involved in drafting the deal said. “There won’t be as many cycle lanes built, that’s for sure,” they added. “It’ll be about big picture stuff now.”