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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven


    Carol Nolan voted for a PBP bill to restore automatic birthright citizenship for anchor babies in 2019. I'd wager most people on this thread oppose automatic birthright citizenship for children born to non-nationals. 79% voted to scrap it in a 2004 referendum.

    If it weren't for Sinn Fein using the party whip to force every member to vote for abortion, she would still be a Shinner today. https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/vote/dail/32/2019-01-24/12/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,263 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Helen how has this man not got Irish citizenship ship yet? I know in most countries this guy would be sent packing with a fake passport but this is Ireland so it's time for a forever home for this fella.

    95k- will he do a year in clink?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,285 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I thought we moved past pretending the election was about immigration.

    It's also fair to say if that's the case that the majority of the country are happy with how housing and healthcare etc is being handled.

    In reality it's nonsense saying the election showed people are happy with immigration.

    Any poll specifically about immigration showed 75% or more had an issue with it.

    Despite a few posters telling us about how the far right are everywhere, the election showed what the majority said on this thread that the far right have very little holding in Ireland.

    The majority of the country want sensible policies put in place, not racist scumbags getting into power.

    Post edited by Backstreet Moyes on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,084 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I think people are also underestimating the rise in voter share of nationalist, independent and candidates who campaigned on an immigration platform.

    People seem to forget, 30 years ago, SF didn't have any TD's, with their first only being voted in in '97. I'm sure there was similar scoffing at the lack of support for SF back them too.

    Also, similar to the lead up to the European elections in June, the government parties, released some carefully choreographed media peices and sound bites about immigration, it was just enough to convince those on the fence to give FFG another chance rather than going with the unknown.

    Once a well oiled party, with charismatic, slick candidate appears, thats when we'll see the real change in politics in Ireland. Till then, we must put up with FFG pretending they care about immigration and how it is overstretching services in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,137 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    it was just enough to convince those on the fence to give FFG another chance rather than going with the unknown.

    Yeah after 100 years of the civil war parties running the country it is really hard to know what they are going to be like in government.

    Totes understand why all those who really really really wanted change to our current immigration policies would vote for ff and FG thinking they might be different this time.

    Just one more chance eh.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    There’s no hope, too many vested interests are making a fortune from getting state contracts for accommodation, it will never end unless we go broke again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Money that should be going into our infrastructure but is going to these scumbags



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,073 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    You may not have voted for this personally.

    Just under 50% of people reading this did vote for it though. There's obviously plenty of people here who will whinge about it, but then quite happily check the box of their local FF/FG candidate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Yes. That's why I think us posting on this thread are for the most part participating in an echo chamber.

    There's so much anger and resentment boiling in threads on here that I thought we'd see a real shock at the election.

    Not so.

    At the end of the day Irish birth rates need to go up. If they don't we're only debating whether to be demographic lily replaced in 30 years vs 50 years.

    No boost to fertility means we are done. Kaput.

    I was watching a video recently related to Scotland and what struck me is you could as easily replace the word Scotland with Ireland.

    https://youtu.be/BPyUPCNh3Cg?si=UspvpYcZK4GUR5kt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,084 ✭✭✭prunudo


    There is something in the Irish psychic, particularly at government level that wants us to be loved by everyone, they bend over backwards to get international kudos. It stems from a lack of confidence and naivety from our so called leaders.

    This ultimately let's us to be taken for fools and taken advantage of. They squander opportunities and relinquish controls and laws too easily.

    This can all be seen in how we are dealing with immigration, so wanted to be loved, we have invited the world here to take over. We encourage foreigners to come here and integrate into structures of power all under the guise of DEI. We are importing different cultures and ideologies so we are seen as progressive and amazing, yet doing untold damage to what makes us Irish and what made Ireland a great place to live.

    And if anyone doesn't beleive me, just look at what is happening in parts of the UK and Europe, Irish and Irishness will be gone within one generation if we don't change path drastically.

    If we put as much effort and money into encouraging Irish families to have more children and bringing back those that emigrated, as we are into DEI and Ipas we wouldn't be seeing the rapid cultural change we currently are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,202 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    They shouldn't be committing any crime at all.

    Coming here and breaking the law is totally unacceptable, anyone who does this should be immediately deported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭tom23


    We are a country of liberal left, it’s got into every aspect of government. Certain NGO’s influence policy heavily. The media are 100% liberal left. The obsession with certain world problems is baffling. This country has changed for ever and it’s never going back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Child costs need to be addressed especially for workers. That and housing. Stop making the property market attractive to investment funds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    What's that got to do with Musk telling barefaced lies!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,084 ✭✭✭prunudo


    And yet, the hypocrisy is that a huge amount of these ngo's are funded by outside agency's and billionaires shaping the immigration policy. But you'd be forgiven for thinking its only one particular billionaire that is the issue, going by the media this week.

    Nobody wants to live in the past, but that doesn't mean we can't appreciate what it means to be Irish and the positives we have. The last figures I saw, showing Irelands net increase imigration was 80k (April 2023-2024). A large portion of these will not integrate into Irish society, they will mix in their own circles. If this trend contuines, it won't be long will Irish people and traditions start being lost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    This obsession with Palestine from RTE is concerning yes israel are in the wrong here what are we now the world police ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Is there endless visas for people from India and Pakistan or what ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    AGS handled 310k immigration registrations in 2024, first timers 95k & 210k renewals. Minister McEntee said moving the registration system to DoJ will free up resources, 100 members who worked in that function.
    Looking at residence visa and conditions, it appears that controls were loose if courts and other news reports are true, so maybe the new set-up will be more robust, but who knows.
    Also interesting is the immigration info is available in 12 other languages apart from English and Gaeilge. Doesn’t seem to happen in other countries (except Sweden who also seem to have problems), eg the UK, Germany, France & Italy just have their own language and English. Is that a good/bad idea?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,202 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Seems like you are more bothered about Musk tweeting on X rather than migrants coming here and breaking the law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,035 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Is he lying though, just one example below from Irish Mirror

    A violent offender who grabbed and raped a woman with a mild intellectual disability on a side-street and then falsely imprisoned her in his home, raping her twice more, was given an extraordinarily lenient sentence because he can't speak English, the State has argued at the Court of Appeal today.

    Costel Pirvu (39) formerly of Kilreekill, Loughrea, Co Galway, was found guilty of three counts of rape and one of false imprisonment after a nine-day trial at the Central Criminal Court last year. He had pleaded not guilty on all counts and was jailed for six and a half years.

    At the Court of Appeal today, Ms Brennan submitted that the sentence had been unduly lenient. Counsel said Pirvu unduly benefited in mitigation because the trial judge had factored in his status as a foreign national with no English, which would make prison life more difficult for him. Ms Brennan said the trial judge said every day in prison for Pirvu would be like a day and a half for an English-speaking person.

    Ms Brennan said the trial judge "came up with a formula that it would be 50 per cent more severe for him than a local", which amounted to an "extremely high" discount.

    Counsel said she was not taking issue with the headline sentence of 10 years but that the discount of three-and-a-half years was "extraordinary". She added that Pirvu's violent convictions were from his time in Romania and Germany.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,286 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's reflecting Irish public opinion. Ireland is extremely unusual in western Europe in that is a former colony which was denied its independence and statehood for many centuries (often with considerable violence and hardship used against it by its oppressor). The majority of countries in western Europe are former colonial / imperial powers: GB, France, NL, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Denmark etc.

    It should not come as a surprise to anyone that we are major outliers in how we view the colonial power / colonised region dynamic and would tend to side with the oppressed nations. It's not a coincidence that Ireland is probably the least right wing country in Europe, there are very specific reasons why this has happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    It's ok to break the law if you're "from" here? Class

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭goingmadted


    I can finally comment on this thread now that i have 50 posts! Yay for me.

    I struggle to see how anyone can defend the current immigration policy, not just be our own government but europe wide.

    There doesnt seem to be any common sense policies anymore. I like to think that most folk in this country are still moderate and centrists, but they are afraid to say anything for fear of being called racist or far right.

    The constant chimes of the left telling us its within the law for all these ppl to claim asylum. The law isnt always right and can be changed!

    The gun laws in america are outdated for example. We can all agree they need to be changed!

    But whatever about the criminal side of things, the whole policy regarding immigration desperately needs to be tackled. I know being part of the EU has been great for Ireland, but no harm in going on a solo run now and again like they have been doing regarding Isreal!

    Im sick to death of our politicians being soft as ****!!

    Mod edit:

    Post snipped to remove anecdote which is not allowed as per note on OP.

    Post edited by Irish Aris on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭tom23


    nah don’t buy that. Might reflect your opinion which i have always gathered is very much pro immigration, and i mean that with respect from reading your posts.

    if there is a downturn in the economy well how public opinion stacks up.

    i can you tell this, this lefty liberal love in won’t last.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,286 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Saying that NGOs or the media are primarily responsible for Ireland being left of centre on these issues is surely overstating things. Apart from the colonial thing, I would suggest most Irish people are anti-authoritarian (again tied into our history)….this would naturally steer us away from right wing politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Perhaps if it was a sudden incident, but we've plenty of evidence that the slowly boiled frog story is extremely pertinent.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,137 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    What is a lefty liberal love in mean in this context?

    Hard to discuss if it will last if I haven't a clue what it is.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,536 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Didn't you get the memo for the usual suspects? All these people will happily integrate and are after all more Irish than you or I.

    The fact it has not worked anywhere else is to be ignored and to suggest otherwise is racism of the highest order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,137 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Got a copy of someone posting this or is this just your opinion of an undefined group called the "usual suspects"?

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,035 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    No, anyone who breaks the law, deserves full punishment but having no English to little English should not lessen the sentence



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