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3 New Navy Vessels for Irish Naval Service

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Probably the retirees dont fancy it in January!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Seems the Army was asked, however their response was they didn't have enough to support Army operations let alone Naval ops. As for bringing back people, that is the planned response in the next couple of months… At multiple times the cost of the actual naval personnel that they let go of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Id say the Army were thinking dont help the enemy.

    Could the navy not do even a short term deal with Leonardo to keep the 76mm working the same way they are getting Wärtsilä to look after the P60s engines



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Great bit of an auld common sense comment there roadie!



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,884 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I can see the Army's armorers being useful for the 20mm maybe, but I can't imagine they know a hell of a lot about a 76mm mount to help fix it.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,879 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Bringing retired naval personnel back can screw their tax obligations. That will likely scupper that avenue.

    And lets face it, nobody goes to sea for free…!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,427 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Yep, just another unforeseen effect of FEMPI and subsequent gouging of service conditions and pensions that we've seen in the Guards as well.

    The new government would want to get on top of these self-inflicted problems fairly lively.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    The suggestion of the report is that the former personnel will be hired on as private contractor's rather than return to service so shouldn’t cause them tax issues? I mean it will be significantly more expensive than increasing the pay to keep the unit at strength but that somehow doesn’t matter.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,879 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Any additional income they receive could mean punitive tax on the individual. I know someone who had to give up working as it had such a negative impact on his navy pension.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Grassy Knoll


    Generally the issue is under pension abatement is a person cannot be in a public service job and be in receipt of a public service pension - its essentially one or the other unless an exception can be made, which is a very high bar. However, the former naval technician could come back in the employ of a contractor which means the can get their pension and salary. however, this is generally more expensive. So in effect the system is working against itself. There needs to be a realization that military hardware is complex, technical and incorporates a high degree of ICT etc. We need to pay accordingly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    On the topic of an MPV....what about purchasing either HMS Albion or Bulwark currently up for disposal? They're reported to be goin cheap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,427 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    There hasn't been a final decision in London. One suspects that with the state of the World, they may go into reserve rather than be sold off.

    In any case, a 600 ft amphibious assault ship that takes needs 300 to crew even when empty of embarked forces, is not something we have any use for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    no, they are never serving in the RN again, most rumours point to joining Ocean in Brazilian service (or at least Bulwark, Albion might just be used as a parts bin for her), other than that, of course your right that there isn’t anything we would want them for even if we were already at LoA3 level of capability and spending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,427 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Seems insane. Even if everything went perfectly the first RN MRSS won't enter service for 8 years.

    That leaves only the Royal Fleet Auxiliary ships to embark Royal Marines expeditionary units.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭mupper2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,427 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I'm laughing here at the gap between ambition and reality in GB.

    The front runner for the MRSS class, the 'Fearless' proposal, only has the Dragon Fire laser weapon as its entire armament!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Seems there’s a few different issues, not only is keeping both carriers operational eating manpower but the LPDs have a bespoke engine system compared to the rest of the fleet now so issues around training and supports. And given the RN has its own recruitment/retention issues it’s basically accepting the reality that they couldn’t generate enough crew, added to which you have the reduction in RM levels and the changed circumstances of Sweden and Finland joining NATO.


    Also no the Fearless proposal isn't the front runner, it’s not even a thing as the parent company has gone bust.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Niamh has apparently suffered hull damage while holding sea acceptance trials.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/naval-ship-suffers-damage-to-hull-after-collision-with-quayside-in-cork-harbour-6627462-Feb2025/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭zone 1


    tied up for four years coming out refit unfortunate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭vswr


    I know our sailors don't like going to sea, but damaging the boat is going a bit far..

    :-P

    Post edited by vswr on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,879 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Punched a bloody hole right through the hull at deck level! Lots of photos circulating online. Absolute shitshow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭mupper2


    Irish naval service reserve ML Fionnghuala 2.jpg Irish naval service reserve ML Fionnghuala 1.jpg

    In slightly better news..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,427 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I don't know what the crewman is ****ing smiling at.

    "You reap what you sow."

    Indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭thomil


    Ouch, that looks nasty alright. Looks like she'll be out of business for a while.

    What's the status of Róisín? Can she be made operational quickly enough to cover for Niamh whilst the latter gets her hull repaired?

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    They are both laid up anyway, so there's no crisis there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭mupper2


    Nice pics of the NSDS dive boats and NSR ML from Grace Fanning over on Twitter

    irish naval divers boats and motor launch 1.jpg irish naval divers boats and motor launch 2.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Aoibhinn has managed to put a hole in her side in Kinsale back in October:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41583988.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    i think at this stage the army have infiltrated the navy and are causing these incidents to make the navy look bad so they wont become an equal party in the defence forces. The Air Corps better watch out.



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