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Why do people drive unnecessarily large cars?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,762 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Strange how you forgot to mention that it was in France.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,659 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    Strange how you never asked for an example from a certain area/region.

    And on that note I'll bow out because the usual thread killers have turned up now and successfully detailed the thread for long enough.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,428 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    so… SUVs, huh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭mulbot


    I'd say 8f you have to drive today, have a 4x4 suv with winter tyres, you'd be very thankful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    If you came straight out and said that people prosecuted for that offence, but that was in France, then there would be no need for people to ask you to back up your claim. This is an internet forum not a telepathic society. How was anyone supposed to know you were talking about a different country..

    The mind boggles



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,762 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Silly me for not realising that you were talking about France with your links to the Garda.ie website and your discussion of Irish leglisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    almost was run over by a BMW on a pedestrian crossing in a Tesco car park today, a motorist in a small car would have stopped to let me cross.

    just sayin’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    I could certainly do with one for the next few days. Was away last night and there's not hope of makeing it to my house in a car.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,428 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,380 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Just my last thought on the topic of drivers wearing headphones - does anyone actually do this? I don't think it's a good idea, always assumed it was illegal, and it would never occur to me to do so as a driver.

    Do some people actually drive wearing headphones?

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,428 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    very rare, i'd have thought. possibly people with cars which don't have bluetooth capability to allow them to take phone calls without holding the phone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭eggy81


    So you just flat out disagree that you’d have any benefit to having your hearing cycling amongst city traffic compared to having no hearing. There’s not one single instance amongst the possible millions of combinations of possibilities of things going wrong that having hearing would benefit you as a cyclist ?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,906 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Not a common occurrence but I definitely wouldn't say it's rare in my experience

    The last thing I'll say about it is that it is a disingenuous argument put forwards as the usual "I know what's best for cyclists" bullsh1t. Sit your ass on a bike in traffic for a while and then come back to us with your faux concerns about what is in a cyclists best interests



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭eggy81


    I spent 7 years cycling to school as a student cycling a 15km journey in and out of a busy regional town. Not once did I consider wearing headphones because it objectively makes the trip more dangerous. Simple as that. You’re arguing a point that I’m not even arguing against. Drivers are the most dangerous people using the roads. That’s objectively true. Wearing headphones increases your exposure to said dangerous drivers. That’s objectively true. Do what you want with it after that. To me you are arguing for something that right now just isn’t reality because the infrastructure and state of driving doesn’t allow for it. Would you rather wear headphones in a forlorn fight for equality on the road and sacrifice your safety or would you rather be some degree safer by being able to hear another aspect of the danger you may be in before you get wiped off your bike. Which is more important to you ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,659 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    Great way to avoid answering the question put to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭mulbot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,762 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Yeah, he's an awful attitude, refusing to play along with the "let's find anything else to talk about to avoid any suggestion that drivers need to actually take some action to stop killing people ".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,380 ✭✭✭SeanW


    You mean the 99.7+% of drivers who have nothing whatsoever to do with "killing people?"

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,428 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i'll try to address a couple of your points - and i say this as a cyclist who (before covid) was doing a 40km round trip across dublin two or three days a week; i have never worn headphones cycling and have never considered it. partly because of a fear that the day i'd need perfect hearing would be the day i wore them, and partly (i'm being slightly disingenuous with this point) that if i did come a cropper, i'd be blamed for using headphones even if they had nothing to do with whatever befell me.

    firstly, you say headphones make the trip 'objectively' more dangerous. that's an assumption, but even if we assume it, you've no way of telling how much more dangerous. the effect might be so small as to be statistically irrelevant (in short, i'm questioning your use of the word 'objective' there).

    you mention drivers are the most dangerous users of the roads; i'm obviously not questioning that. but what i find somewhat ironic or hypocritical is the calls from people (not saying you're one of them, i don't know your stance on this specific point) to ban headphones while cycling. the irony is that motorists are allowed shut themselves from the outside world sonically; with some cars having double glazing, and powerful sound systems (which are selling points in cars), and no-one ever seems to question this from a safety point of view. i'm curious how many drivers don't hear sirens of emergency service vehicles because they're listening to music too loudly? given that a bike bell is the legally mandated equivalent of a car horn for cyclists, i would not begin to guess how audible one would be to a driver in a car, even without a radio on.

    and as per the australian study; i'm sure there are flaws people can find in it, but at the moment it's the only one available and it points to cyclists wearing headphones being less isolated sonically from the outside world than car drivers.

    so again, the calls by some for headphones on the bike to be banned seem ironic or hypocritical because that'd be placing the legal burden/punishment for 'sonic isolation' onto those exposed to danger while saying it's fine for those creating the danger. we solve the problem of sonic isolation by punishing the potential victims rather than the potential perpetrators. this is an important point; if we assume the danger involved, cyclists are risking their own safety. but motorists are risking other people's safety. and we should protect the 'innocent' first.

    lastly - and again, i don't know if you have called for a law on this, so please don't assume this is addressed at you if not - we have zero idea on whether introducing another law which won't be policed, will have any impact. it'd probably be the most tokenistic law on the books.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,428 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    and just as an aside, i was once sitting in a car on the quays at lights, and a garda on a motorbike hammered on the window and gestured at me to turn the music down. i decided it was not worth explaining to him that i was listening to the MBV remix of 'if they move, kill 'em' by primal scream, which absolutely demands to be listened to at full volume. (it's the law)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭JVince


    In a way they are.

    Larger cars are more expensive, so more vrt and vat

    Chances are they are less fuel efficient, so more fuel taxes too.

    But maybe a "city" tax on larger SUVs is an option in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,403 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Bought my first "walkman" in the 80's for the specific purpose of listening to music while cycling to/from school and then college. Back then the headset was a band that went over your head and held the two speakers against your ears. They were crap as they simply amplified the wind noise passing by your ears. You could hear the music…just.

    After a few years i "upgraded" to a walkman/radio combo which had wired in-ear earbuds. Sound was better, I could hear music (just above the sound of wind noise, car engines, truck air brakes etc.) but while I could hear the DJ's voice it was very difficult to determine what they were saying (because of the wind and traffic noise)

    Today i have noise cancelling bluetooth wireless earbuds linked to my iPhone. They are Awesome! I can hear music AND spoken word. The shape of the earbuds does amplify wind noise but not as bad as the over ear type headphones. they do reduce ambient sounds, but only just. Wind and traffic noise is still the primary sound. When the roads are wet, "Tyre Roar" is almost deafening…it would be even louder if I was not wearing earbuds!

    So Is it safe to cycle while listening to music? Of course it is. Its no more dangerous than listening to wind noise and traffic

    Lots of people say "you need all your senses when cycling as you have to be fully aware of your surroundings". Well i disagree.. unless i'm chewing chewing gum while cycling, i don't need my sense of taste and i strongly urge anyone who cycles or drives not trust your ears/what you hear. Don't do anything unless you have LOOKED first. Don't turn right without looking behind you. Don't cross a junction unless you have LOOKED in every direction etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,762 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Any chance you could pick out the drivers who won't be killing people beforehand Seanie?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭mojesius


    Everyone secretly wants a Canyonero



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,479 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    My "unnecessarily" large car has a greater level of safety kit for both the occupants and pedestrians and cyclists than a tinny little hatchback.

    But that's not why I drive it. I drive it because its spacious and comfortable and beautiful built and generously appointed and so well insulated and it rides like a business jet and it has an exquisite sound system and 4 separate zones of climate control and my seat is heated in winter and cool ventilated in summer and it can cruise along at great speed and take narrow twisting roads all in its air suspended stride.

    And for all that it is still one of the lowest emissions vehicles around and is gets very good fuel economy.

    I suspect you might get a similar answer from others who drive "unnecessarily" large cars, and you'll have to take the keys from their cold dead hands.

    Heated steering wheel on full tomorrow morning I think....



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,428 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    and you'll have to take the keys from their cold dead hands.

    Heated steering wheel on full tomorrow morning I think....

    seems these systems aren't worth the extra grand you paid for them.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,428 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    still though, thanks. heated steering wheels. that gave me a chuckle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Or those who say my crime is OK, only murder should be discussed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    An SUV with four-wheel-drive is increasingly rare. Winter tyres, even rarer. And I definitely wouldn't trust the average SUV driver on a slippery road. Bad enough watching them try to fit it into a parent and child space in Tesco.

    Incidentally, the best car I ever had on snow was a '95 Micra with standard summer tyres and a 1.0 engine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,138 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    The law also doesnt specifically ban driving with your feet, or sitting facing the wrong way either.



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