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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Sgt Hartman


    That’s the million dollar question. I’m thinking for a start, generational welfare scroungers, religious extremists, rich people who profit from environmental damage and the exploitation of others, psychopaths, career criminals, violent gang members, sex offenders, career politicians and anyone involved with making Hallmark Christmas movies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭barneygumble99


    If buffalo’s became extinct id miss buffalo wings. Very tasty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭randd1


    I reckon that the world could easily hold 12 billion people, if we actually weren't so wasteful of resources.

    I reckon there's more than enough food to go around if everyone ate healthily, ate from locally produced food, and ate what they needed, and nothing else more.

    If the only electrical thing we had in our homes were a fridge, a cooker and lights, and a tiny heater we'd have plenty of energy around. ot everything needs to be "smart" and require constant charging.

    If everyone used bikes for any journey less than 4km, or regularly carpooled, we'd have plenty of diesel/petrol.

    Do we need as much disposable plastic as we use? Or more recently, do children need more than 2 Christmas presents? How much plastic, and by extension oil, is wasted on wastage?

    It's not a lack of resources that's a problem. It's the shocking use of what we have already via consumerism and vanity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    It's not a lack of resources that's a problem

    It's 100% lack of resources problem - but not the kind of resources you mention there. Yes, this planet can support 12 billion humans, but not at the quality of life we enjoy now here in the developed western world. Maybe it can house, feed and keep warm (or cool) them all, but no treat them for expensive conditions like cancers, or complex surgeries, not even dental implants. And to be honest, if I would have to choose between luxuries like cars, streaming, videogames and keep the rest of the planet properly fed, I know what I would choose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,213 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Define "extraordinary".

    Before there were antibiotics, pneumonia was the great killer of the old. TB killed a great many who had their lungs weakened by it at an earlier age.

    There's also been a huge reduction in smoking since the mid 20th century, and smoky coal bans = more older people with lungs in decent shape

    The mother in law has recently entered a home. She's nearly 90 and sharp as a tack mentally but unfortunately quite frail physically. Many in there are the opposite - physically doing quite well but in at least the early stages of dementia

    I watched my mother die of it but it took 15 years because she was physically strong. I was well prepared for the funeral because by the time it arrived the person I knew had departed a long long time ago.

    I'd like to have the option of being able to set a cognitive test level for myself below which I'd be painlessly put to sleep. The religions I'm not a member of, but influence politicians, prevent this. I'd also like to be able to actively choose euthansia at any time, but again the god botherers who know best, allied to cowardly politicians, prevent this.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,025 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Oh, I'm not a doctor but for example, a chest infection is ordinary and cancer isn't.

    The example you raise is apt. Old people living for decades with conditions including dementia and needing intensive or full-time care, are where a big proportion of tax money goes. That's relatively new.

    Euthanasia is an interesting one. The UK passes legislation before Christmas which will probably legalise Euthanasia once it's been through the full legislative process. They passed it because it came through an unusual process called a private member's bill*. In other words, MPs had a free vote and didn't have the usual culture wars attached to it. If it went through the normal culture wars process, it wouldn't have passed and it would give been divided along predictable liberal/conservative lines.

    *private members bills are different from the usual legislative agendas as they randomly pick from back bench MPs to put forward a bill. Mad practice, but they sometimes allow good legislation to be passed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,213 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    PMBs almost always go nowhere, but when they do get somewhere it's a way for the governing majority to allow a bill to progress without having to explicitly endorse it. Rest assured that if "the government" wanted it to fail they'd have ensured it failed.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,025 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah, that's exactly what I said. If it had to be filtered through the culture wars, it wouldn't have passed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,581 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    That we are a joke of a country . We held on to a bloated government created by the British , There’s no need for so many TDs and senators . We are an island nation on the west of Europe and we’ve never invested in our military . We voted in a FF government who decimated public services and privatised the whole economy . What do the people of the country get back . F-all while the politicians swan around the world on our dime pretending to be statesmen . Time to gut the government and cut them parasites to 250 at most



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Climate change is gonna be fine. Just need to keep making the changes that we’re currently making. A small number of countries will need to be evacuated, the rest will adapt. None of this is civilisation threatening in the least.
    Population growth worldwide is not a problem, actually low birth rates are. Every region except sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East now has low birth rates or they have plateaued. Rather than having silly 20th century arguments about how we can limit population growth, we need to figure out how we can increase rates.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,106 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Low birth rates are definitely not an issue now that countries are taking in more immigrants than they can handle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,025 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    It would be fine if people were happy about mass migration. When sea levels rise or areas become too hot or wet for agriculture, the people don't just drown or starve. They move.

    Indonesia has a quarter of a billion people and is susceptible to rising sea levels. If a hundred million (or even 50m) Indonesians need to move to other countries, the host countries will go spare. That causes unrest, discrimination, resentment, disorder and conflict. The usual things.

    That's the concern. Why do you think that's going to be fine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,967 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ….and add in the slow break down of our ability to grow and create enough food for us all, yup, it ll be grand!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,029 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    It's not a lot different to pre Norman Ireland, all these little regional chieftains fighting over scraps from central coffers for their own little fiefdoms. Self centred clientelism, like the Healy Rae clan and their three priorities: "Kerry, Kerry and Kerry".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,539 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Yeah, the idea that the parochialism is a hold over from back in the day crossed my mind before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    That life is completely pointless and you'd be far better off not being born in the first place.

    People may respond to this and say "but what about the positive aspects of life, you'd miss out on them if you weren't born"

    However if you weren't born you'd never know about the positive aspects of life and therefore you can't miss out on them if you have no awareness of their existence.Therefore there is zero negatives to not being born and loads of positives to it as by not being born you avoid experiencing all the **** aspects of life.

    Life itself is pointless because it leads to an eternity of nothingness, things within life and experiences within it only have a meaning because you can remember and recall the experiences but life as a whole has none of that as once it ends it's over and you have no memory of it.

    PS: Maybe all this wintry weather is having an effect on me😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,534 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    The snow/weather pictures reminding me that we can't for the life of us plant even the smallest amount of broadleaf trees in this country and the place looks like one big barren golf course.

    It's kind of like how we plan our future as a society i.e. we don't and couldn't care less.

    Why plant a tree that can give shelter, life, bird song, fresh air and beauty to an area, for you, your grand kids, the community, for wildlife, for the tiniest investment ...

    when you can watch Netflix instead ?

    The government just has to sell the message that trees increase the value of your area and your home. Then paddy would sit up and listen. I would say an advertising campaign less than the cost of Joe Duffys monthly salary would do this. But, what would do I know ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,539 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Did someone get a book on existentialism at the secret Santa?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    It could be a problem for the immigrants' home country. An awful lot of young men are heading for pastures new leaving behind a lot of young women who will find it harder to marry and have children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Plenty of people in those countries rely on the money send home from overseas family members.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    Don't mean to be crude, but all the money in the world can't impregnate a woman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭These Are Facts


    Crime levels will increase dramatically in the coming years.

    An article from the UK's Telegraph yesterday, (according to the Centre for Migration Control) is a concering trend, of things likely to come for Ireland and indeed Western Europe:

    Foreigners x3 times as likely to be arrested for 'sex offences' as British citizens.
    https://archive.is/48nMs

    Crime league table puts Albanians* as nationality most likely to be arrested, followed by Afghans, Iraqis, Algerians, Moroccans and Somalians.

    Astonishly, the article states 13% of Albanians in the UK currently reside inside uk jails.
    Note: Ireland has a 99.97% IPO rejection rate for Albanians, however very few are actually ever deported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,213 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That tells us more about UK cops than the immigrants tbh

    Ask any Irish person who lived there in the 70s

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,213 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    174 TDs

    60 Senators

    That's fewer than 250.

    Number of TDs should be capped but we'll need a constitutional amendment to do that.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    It’s commonly believed that refugees in developing countries always want to move to the West but it’s not true. The majority of them simply move to a neighbouring country. In the case of Pacific island nations and the Sahel, they would have to move a lot further, but still to other developing countries not a developed one. A fairly small proportion of them end up in the West.

    And there is not going to be a breakdown of agriculture, that is doomer thinking. There are so many crops you could switch to if the climate in your area no longer favours a conventional one. And genetic engineering of the seeds will greatly help. Any silly band on this practice must be overturned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,581 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I wasn’t arrested , but because of my surname and where I was from , English police watched my 24/7 . There was a ‘burglary’ and I gave my fingerprints and they relaxed .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    Donald Trump is a total fool and anyone who would vote for him and elect him again are even greater fools ….. do they think he'd be more intelligent after 4 years or what …. have they all got amnesia …. do they not know what his war with Iran will do …. they will all be complaining in a years time when oil will be more expensive and economy gone …. but good enough for anyone who voted for this eejit …..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,581 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Tats not controversial to people here or to people living on the coasts of the US . The people in the middle don’t know what is coming for them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,106 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    For a small minority this is true but for most people the good times vastly outweigh the bad times. One day we will die bbut that just means we need to learn to be grateful for the days we still have and try to make the most of them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,106 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Well if the men can emigrate the women can too.



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