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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,212 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Trump will look at Ukraine from a business stand point, what can the US gain from Ukraine, how can Ukraine pay back ten fold what he gives them. That will be the plan, Ukraine has a lot to offer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,840 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    So you are doubling down on your bullshit? Ukraine and Russia were as much part of the same USSR. They were never Russian weapons either. They were designed and built in the USSR. The Ukraine had as much claim as Russia to what was stationed in their borders.

    If the USA dissolved in the morning, would California have the rights to automatically take silicone chips from Nevada because it was designed and built in the USA?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Eyeballs..

    Nagasaki after the eyeballs:

    Untitled Image

    Keep those iodine tablets handy. Anytime you want to look stupid they are there, waiting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    "Everything you post is a lie"

    OMG, maybe it's really Putin posting here on boards! Got to be pretty dull in that bunker of his, a little bit of Boards.ie would pass the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,150 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "for the record"

    There is no Putin supporter here stupid enough to admit they support Putin or want Ukraine to fail.

    Instead some do it by repeating Putin's talking points and propaganda. Typically because they share his same views of the West, which your posts have made abundantly clear.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


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    Ukraine will be supplied with 19 air defense systems to protect critical infrastructure, Rutte said during a meeting with Zelensky

    Zelenskyy said he had already spoken separately with Macron in Brussels and would meet with other leaders later. Politico also writes that the French president will not be at the joint leaders' meeting.

    Edit: whoops that was a while back, still apropos.

    Ireland sends Ukraine it's regards.

    We had the largest budget surplus of any country in Europe in 2022, that has now ballooned to €25 B thanks to the apple windfall.

    We do host one of Russia's largest nest of spies and espionage bases in Europe, so not sure our regards count for much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    We're not having a dispute about what is fair, or some hypothetical scenario.

    We're talking about a historical reality - the units which operated and maintained the Soviet nuclear arsenal took their orders from Moscow. And after the breakup of the USSR they continued to take their orders from Moscow, having transferred to the Russian military. Ukraine never had authority over those weapons. They never had control of those weapons. Ukraine itself had already in 1990 announced it was a non-nuclear state.

    There was Russian nuclear weapons with accompanying Russian military forces deployed on the territory of Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. Russia withdrew their weapons and their military forces from the territory of all those countries in compliance with the agreements reached with those countries to do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Maybe, just maybe you are genuinely delusional. Think, if things were as you say… why bother with a whole treaty then!?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Toretsk stronghold looks like it is starting to crack now also. Probably the most hard fought for battle of the last year.

    toretsk.jpg

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


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    Syrsky arrived to join the military in the Kursk direction

    According to the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the enemy's losses in the Kursk region amounted to over 38 thousand personnel and more than a thousand pieces of equipment.

    Quite funny to think the Orcs might be supplying the electricity. Will they send a bill?

    Is it just me, or does that last pic look like Kadyrov has a side gig?

    Where is the commander?

    Oh he's in what used to be Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Wow. Most hard fought battle of the last year. How much ground will be taken? How much devaluation of your currency did it take? How many of your compatriot's ‘becoming one with nature’ fertilising the ground, to achieve this noteworthy gain?

    Have you ever heard the words, ‘welcome to my parlour, said the spider to the fly’. There is only one outcome of this war. Russian defeat. Whether that’s at the stage where Russia is so depleted that China feels generous to help in managing the Eastern part of the”Russia” is still possibly in Putin’s control.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,840 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Bless you and your Russian version of a "historical reality". We might as well have a history lesson from Putin himself.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭blackwave


    Concerning™. Any opinions on the flight shot down by Russia by any chance? Or are you going to continue link dumping pro russian shite as usual?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,131 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Transnistria has no heating and hot water supply due to the lack of Russian gas

    Residents are urged to dress warmly, gather as families in one room, hang blankets on windows, and use electric heaters.

    Schadenfreude. Not long ago they were cheering on everytime a part of Ukraine's energy infrastructure was destroyed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,423 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I think this is false. Often in wars, we assume things about the civilian populations and who they support etc. Mostly working class people do not care about nationalism and only care about putting bread on the table and keeping a roof over their heads, they don't think beyond that, they are unwilling hostages brought along for the ride.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Moscow the capital of the USSR, not the capital of Ruzzia, which by the law had no primacy in the USSR, and was just the city where the Politburo, the Supreme Soviet and the Central Committee and organs of the union state were located, all of which had representatives from the Republics. Ruzzia did not 'own' the nuclear arsenal by virtue of being the nation that hosted the government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭brickster69


    ..

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭carveone


    Well, that post is a new level of WTF for me. Is this some sort of nuke denial? Are you saying that because Nakasaki now looks like the picture you posted, the nightmares in the recent past never happened?

    Have you ever tried to discuss this theory with someone in real life? Let us know if you do, should be good for a laugh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭zv2


    At any rate the USSR was an illegal entity because it was formed by invasion and coercion. Ukraine was never part of Russia it was forced to be part of the USSR.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    If things were as you say, why would Ukraine give the nuclear weapons you imagine it controlled to Russia? Why not just dismantle them itself as the independent nuclear power you imagine it was? When South Africa abandoned its nuclear weapons program - the only country I can recall with nuclear weapons who have ever done so - it didn't give them to another state to potentially use against them.

    The reason the weapons returned to Russia is because they were Russian weapons deployed in Ukrainian territory. Ukraine always was and remains a non-nuclear state and never controlled the nuclear weapons or had any authority over them. Ukraine never had nuclear weapons. Belarus never had nuclear weapons. Kazakhstan never had nuclear weapons. They had a foreign country (Russia) deploying nuclear weapons in their territory.

    The treaties made sense in their own right. Russia has never wanted expansion of NATO (a hostile military alliance). Guaranteeing the security of Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan removed a reason for NATO expansion. And Russia is the only country that can legitimately guarantee the security of Ukraine. Of course, the US ripped up those treaties so here we are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Fúck me, I was going to ask you to answer my question that you didn’t. But, then you came out with this beaut ‘And Russia is the only country that can legitimately guarantee the security of Ukraine.’

    Russia is bombing the living shít out of Ukrainian civilian infrastructure, hospitals, energy, dwellings. Raping, kidnapping and torturing Ukrainians. And you can write that excrement. You are beyond deluded. Your discourse is a stain on boards.ie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭Deub


    Wow do your read what you write?

    So from your post, Ukraine gave back the nuclear weapons because they « never controlled the nuclear weapons or had any authority over them. ». So it is like Russia in Ukraine. They didn’t control part of Ukraine and had no authority on them and yet, they are there. Therefore, I am assuming you condemn Russia invasion.

    But your best line is this one:

    And Russia is the only country that can legitimately guarantee the security of Ukraine.

    You cannot write this and believe it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Russia can’t even guarantee security of Russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Who else can guarantee the security of Ukraine and is provably willing to fight to prevent a hostile third party controlling Ukraine? Russia is provably very serious about not allowing a hostile power (i.e. the US/NATO) control Ukraine. Because it is in their interests. Ukraine was in a solid security situation pre-2008. Then NATO announced Ukraine would become a member, and later overthrew the Ukrainian government and here we are.

    Any or all of the NATO countries could go to war right now for Ukraine. NATO membership isn't a requirement. But they don't. They're willing to cause trouble in Ukraine, but they're not willing to fight for Ukraine. Because it is not in their interests.

    Even the "friends of Ukraine" defend the efforts to bring Ukraine into NATO as being meaningless, and never truly meant to be taken seriously by Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    'Ruzzia is the only country that can guarantee the security of Ukraine'? Would this be the same way that the local mafioso would ''guarantee'' the security of businesses in their area? ''Nice store-terrible if anything was to happen to it. We can guarantee that nobody will burn down your shop or beat you up. The fee for protection is…..$$$$'' 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,543 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You're probably better off staying off the internet for a while, your argument is a pantomime with 0 basis in reality, again.

    Ukraine had nuclear weapons, they gave them up as part of a treaty with russia, russia had no rights to the weapons. Ukraine being a large centre of science and innovation within the USSR could have taken over the weapons and can develop its own nuclear deterrent still, russia seems hell bent on pushing them this way, and will then of course have the likes of yourself crying over it if it happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    You're just repeating the previously debunked myth. Repetition doesn't give it any greater weight. Particularly when you betray the truth when saying "[Ukraine] could have taken over the weapons…".

    Even if I accept that possibility (extremely dubious for a whole host of reasons), the only reason they would need to take over the weapons is because they didn't have the weapons. Which they didn't. Russia did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,840 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,150 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "Russia has never wanted expansion of NATO (a hostile military alliance). Guaranteeing the security of Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan removed a reason for NATO expansion. And Russia is the only country that can legitimately guarantee the security of Ukraine. Of course, the US ripped up those treaties so here we are."

    Wow, there it is.

    Putin has made statements that Russia plays a central role in guaranteeing Ukraine's security. Against foreign threats of NATO/West (lol). As Russia invades Ukraine.

    You are effectively quoting Putin. Your posts are arriving at his talking points. Putin killing the populace of Ukraine, stealing it's grain, stealing it's children is somehow validated according to you, and Putin's, shared warped views. Again, wow.



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