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Why do people drive unnecessarily large cars?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,653 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    I drive a large Audi why because i like them and at the moment its handy for getting my wheelchair bound father to and from hospitals and i can certainly handle them. Ok the newer carparks are a lot smaller compared to the ones built back in the 90s. Also have full licence (B EB C1 C EC D1 ED1 )driving trucks since 23 years of age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭AnnieinDundrum


    presumably the OP also objects to UNMARRIED people (or maybe just women) living in homes that he perceives as too large for their needs?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    different concept, surely? you don't have to interact with the house someone lives in as you're going about your daily business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Which vehicles specifically?

    Most SUV's are 2l max.

    Most now are 1.5 or thereabouts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,317 ✭✭✭patrickbrophy18


    To answer the question raised by the OP, some people like to travel in style. If you can afford a flashy SUV, by all means drive one. Since when should anyone have an authority on what size is or isn't necessary?

    Any time I encounter one as a pedestrian, it doesn't phase me at all. If I were cycling, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't change my sentiment. It's about being observant and street smart. Forgoing these very important adult traits is irresponsible.

    Just because pedestrians and cyclists are more fragile road users should not absolve them of being observant. Sadly, many posters conflate irresponsibilty with vulnerability. The other day on the bus, I saw two absolute goons barging onto the road with prams in tow into the path of the bus without a cursory glance. Vulnerable? No. Irresponsible and stupid? Yes.

    The whole argument about vehicle weight, height etcetera comes off as road user Napoleon syndrome. Unlike vans and trucks, SUVs have front and back windows which should be sufficient enough to be able to able to make out what is in front of them. Alas, a complete lack of common sense prevails.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    If I were cycling, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't change my sentiment. It's about being observant and street smart

    if?

    i used to cycle down newtownpark avenue in dublin several times a week, and yes, i did have to adapt how i cycled. if i found myself behind an SUV (which was a common occurence) the technique i found myself adopting was to weave from side to side in my lane. the issue i was dealing with was if there was someone in a car coming out from one of the side roads, me holding the same position in the lane behind the SUV in front of me could leave me obscured by that SUV for several seconds or more, leading the driver of the car emerging from the side road to assume there was no-one behind that SUV and pulling out the instant that SUV had passed them. which if you're on a bike, can be a rather enervating experience. this happened multiple times.

    it's also worth pointing out that the above technique also enabled me to see further up the road as i weaved from side to side, as the SUVs were frequently too tall for me to see over, to see possible danger in front of them, even if i was standing up in the pedals.

    another option was to hold back much further back from the SUV/car in front to give me much more braking space, but i gave that up as a bad idea after too many drivers behind me got frustrated with being stuck behind a cyclist and made a lunge overtake to grab the space i'd created for myself for my own safety. this also happened multiple times.

    all the above was so much less of an issue when the car in front was a height more akin to your standard estate/saloon. i was easily able to see over the roof of it to see potential hazards ahead. and the motorists up ahead were able to see my big stupid head over the roof of the car in front of me. that sound so amazingly obvious as to appear almost trite,

    or; TLDR; someone looking at me from a car, with a steering wheel view of the world (which is so glaringly common in this thread) was probably looking at me thinking 'what is that lunatic cyclist doing weaving like a madman? or staying that far behind from the car in front?', not realising i was doing it to avoid being seriously injured by them. when cyclists are street smart, motorists start whingeing 'they think they own the road'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭mulbot


    And what about vans, trucks, buses, arctic lorries? , All the issues you mentioned didn't happen with those no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    Unlike SUVs in urban areas, at least they serve a purpose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭creedp


    or; TLDR; someone looking at me from a car, with a steering wheel view of the world (which is so glaringly common in this thread) was probably looking at me thinking 'what is that lunatic cyclist doing weaving like a madman? or staying that far behind from the car in front?', not realising i was doing it to avoid being seriously injured by them. when cyclists are street smart, motorists start whingeing 'they think they own the road'.

    Listen each to their own but there seems to be to be a bit of a persecution complex going on in the sentiments being expressed above.

    Did the AGS ever pull you in to see why you were acting like someone who had lost their mind following smoking a bit too much weed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭mulbot


    That hasn't anything to do with the question I asked



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    What is an SUV in Ireland anyway? Tuscon and Kodiak are popular but they are just cars.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I will refer you back to the 'unnecessary' in the thread title.

    And buses and trucks are not nearly as common in SUVs. Certainly on the road I was talking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Hmmmmm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,606 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    They've got cars big as bars

    They've got rivers of gold

    But the wind goes right through you

    It's no place for the old



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭creedp


    But surely it doesn't matter? If you are in fear of your safety/life while cycling behind a tall car you would be petrified out of your fair skin cycling behind a double decker bus?

    I get it though, you dont like SUVs or tall cars (I don't either, have never owned or driven one) but the hyperbolic stuff about fearing for you life and whingeing motorists are a bit difficult to take seriously.

    By the way why would you find it unusual to get a predominantly steering wheel view perspective on a motoring forum?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Of course you've to be careful cycling around buses too. But again - they're not nearly as common as SUVs. Surely that's not too subtle a point? 'If one vehicle is large you've no cause to complain if all vehicles are large' doesn't really hold water.

    And usually where buses are common, the infrastructure reflects that in a way unlike, say, the aforementioned Newtown park avenue.

    Also, other drivers are more careful around buses too. Less likely to assume the space behind a bus is unoccupied than they will with an SUV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Hausfrauenpanzer

    Etymology

    From Hausfrau (“housewife”) +‎ -en- +‎ Panzer (“tank”).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭mulbot


    I don't disagree that a lot of people have these and they aren't necessary, however the same can be said about lots of motor vehicles,especially large cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭creedp


    There's a reason people treat busses different to a tall car. And maybe I'm different to most drivers but I can't understand the point that people are less likely to assume the space behind a bus is unoccupied compared to an SUV. What does that even mean?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭mulbot




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,175 ✭✭✭Damien360


    It's actually smaller than it's sister car the Skoda Superb. Height makes it look big but that's about it. We don't have many true SUV's here, just added height.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Simple enough; if a driver is waiting to come out from a side road and has to wait for a bus to pass, they won't (or shouldn't) assume that there's not a car behind the bus, before they pull out. They are less likely to wait for that confirmation if it's a car which they're waiting to pass by.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭mulbot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Agree, alot aren't true suv at all, more of a crossover, the Kodiak though,depends on model, it's got higher ground clearance, 4x4, and 7 seats. Surely not really a car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭creedp


    Are you suggesting that drivers will assume that there is nothing behind a tall car and with their eyes closed blindly pull out and mow down the cyclist that's drafting on the tall car rear bumper?

    And for some unfathomable reason won't do the say madness when faced with a van, bus, truck, trailer, mpv, etc, etc??



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Yes, that's exactly what I'm suggesting.

    Believe it or not, many Irish drivers don't keep an eye out for or account for the presence of cyclists. It's a hell of a lot easier to obscure a car behind a bus than it is behind an SUV, so many/some drivers are more cautious around buses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,036 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Greyed out plates are as much of a sneaky way to make your reg harder to read as a "fashion" trend. Under low light and grey skies the reg is next to invisible.

    It's a fair bet people who go for these are not careful drivers. In Australia I've seen flash cars with vanity plates made up with long sequences of 6s, 8s and 9s done deliberately to make them harder to read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Not understanding this, if it's easier to obscure a car behind a bus, that means the car is more obvious behind the SUV? What's this got to do with a cyclist?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Really?

    The point (clearly made) was that drivers don't look for cyclists behind an suv and quite often will just pull out. Drivers are less likely to pull out behind a bus.

    Another example is when travelling along one of our crappy cycle lanes and there's a queue of traffic on your right - oncoming drivers will often turn across you (the cyclist) because they don't see you due to the plethora of taller cars..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭mulbot


    That's not the fault of someone driving an SUV, or anything else.



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