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Why do people drive unnecessarily large cars?

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,444 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Erm…cant see over Vans, trucks either.

    see the 'unnecessary' in the thread title.

    and trucks are maybe one in ten of the vehicles on the road. the context of the thread would appear to be private vehicles, or vehicles used for private use. you don't have to deal with trucks in car parks in shopping centres, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,063 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    There's a few threads today that do not take into account what's happening in other peoples lives.

    Suv's for example can often be more suitable for some medical conditions



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,444 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    replace that 'often' with 'sometimes' and yeah, i'd agree with you.

    or in other words, the number of people driving SUVs as a medical necessity would be a small minority of those who drive them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭Speedline


    I don't think there are any suvs in Ireland that weigh 3000 kgs. I could be mistaken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    Ah I wouldn't say that, I don't really pay attention to it but I see people driving cars who can't park properly or judge spaces etc, just as, much as I'd see SUV drivers. A BMW 530 etc, is as difficult to drive for a bad driver as an SUV is for a bad driver.

    The problem is that there are a lot more drivers in SUVs that are too big for them, than BMW 530 etc .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭yagan


    The problem is that buyer wasn't thinking about other road users when they bought it.

    They probably sat in and thought "I feel safe up here".

    I had an aunt who lived in the US and she adamant that if a truck fell on you you'd have a better chance in a salon rather than an hatchback. I reckon she was influenced against hatchbacks by the whole Pinto fiasco.

    Edit to add, the point of the above story is that given the choice many buyers are only thinking of what's in front of them and not if it's actually suitable to their needs and ability.

    If you drive a van for a living, as I have in the past, you know not to drive it like the your own fiesta.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,444 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    nothing even close, certainly that you'd be likely to see, AFAIK. 2.5t kerb weight would be at the heavy end in ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,063 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I would say you're downplaying the amount of people who prefer the seating position to relieve back discomfort



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 824 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    However your commercial tax does not cover you to use the commercial vehicle for private use, you would have to tax it privately to do so legally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭yagan


    But you don't need a RR for a higher seating position. A Sandero Stepway which we have in our house is the same frontprint as the normal Sandero but its seating position is excellent, especially as my hip acts up as I age.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭creedp


    Don't know the context obviously but hopefully he learnt not to drive too close to car in front at junctions. On a different thread a poster mentioned he was more careful when he saw an L or N plate on a car. Maybe he should add SUVs to that list

    As always in these threads, the vast majority of SUVs on Irish roads are hatchbacks on stilts and, while they may be slightly higher than a std family hatchback, have very similar footprints.

    Around me the biggest growth in unnecessarily large vehicles comes from farmers/self employed lads and other halves using oversized rangers/hiluxes to drop the kids to schools/sporting activities. Not too many hard pressed PAYE workers could financially justify driving them though so that limits their ubiquity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭yagan


    I think you're way off saying thinking that the type of SUV we've been talking about like Range Rover and those huge Volvos have the same footprint as the average hatchback.

    Check carsized.com as a dimension guide.

    Actually check out how much fatter a footprint the smallest Range Rover has compared to the ubiquitous Sandero Stepway.

    https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/dacia-sandero-2020-5-door-hatchback-stepway-vs-land-rover-range-rover-evoque-2018-suv/front/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I've just bought s new SUV, taking delivery in January. I really hope I'm able to drive it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,199 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    In our town, women especially, seem big into the big cars but unable to park them. Reversing into a spot is beyond possible from what I see daily.

    Attempting to drive front first in usually results in a lot of backing out and adjusting and finally giving up. Also see a lot of cars driving around our local Tesco carpark if and until the perfect spot appears.

    Personally don't care what someone drives. I haven't been asked to pay for it but it doesn't look good to be tooling around in a 'suv' while incapable of driving it correctly and safely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭creedp


    Range rovers and Volvo XC90s are hardly ubiquitous on Irish roads.

    However the Hyundai Tuscon SUV is Irelands best selling car for a number of years and is hardly humongous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭yagan


    The Tuscan is gigantic compared to the Sandero Stepway.

    https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/dacia-sandero-2020-5-door-hatchback-stepway-vs-hyundai-tucson-2020-suv-lwb/

    For anyone just wanting a higher up hatchback the Dacia is more than enough. The Tuscan was reportedly designed specifically for the US market and there is would be considered a small car compared to their trucks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    The tucson is a good size vehicle, although they come with a weedy 1.6 engine now.

    The dacia is a hape of shyte.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭mulbot




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,444 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Is that one of the most widely flouted laws in the country where there's essentially zero chance of punishment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,578 ✭✭✭Cordell


    You'd be surprised to find out that the Tucson and the rest of the similarly sized crossover SUVs are actually just as wide and usually shorter than most family saloons like the Passat.

    As for pedestrian safety they are quite safe, and you can find smaller cars that are more dangerous than some of these. It all depends on the particular model, not just the size - because, among other things, these cars are not as large and heavy as they appear.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,005 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It's a bit of an "orphan" law.

    Nobody really wants the bother of it.

    AGS, not interested.

    Revenue, not worth their while.

    Drivers, certainly don't want to pay more on the the engine capacity system.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,444 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Not exactly fair on the rest of us paying higher road tax and getting the same private use of the vehicles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,063 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,005 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It depends on the vehicle.

    People paying €330 to tax a small van are charged more than a small car using the same engine.

    I think the present system needs updating rather than simply trying to enforce it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Its an arms race.

    Try showing up for the school run at Mount Anville school, in a Dacia Duster.

    You would be laughed at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭creedp


    It's not just road tax, it's lower VRT, ability to reclaim VAT, write off purchase price or lease or fuel costs against tax. PAYE motorists are the real mugs in this country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,278 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I don't know why the Opel Zafira isn't even made anymore for example.

    They were infamous for going up in flames even after several recalls to "fix" the problem with the heater blower resistor. The Cork car park fire a few years back was a Zafira.

    Opel/Vauxhall have produced nothing but worthless rubbish for a long time now.

    VAT at the point of entry

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,278 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Legs cramped my hole. Your feet have to reach the pedals no matter what you're driving and every car has adjustable seats.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,278 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It should be noted that pajero is Spanish for wanker 😁

    At a Rover (not even LR or RR) dealership he'd have got plenty of practice at fixing things… that were never designed right in the first place and/or never assembled right in the factory.

    I'm a fan of BLARG cars fwiw 😂 but they've always required plenty of what a Moto Guzzi owning friend of mine called "owner involvement".

    Our family car is a Corolla, we put petrol in and it goes. There's a lot to be said for "boring" reliability. I own superbikes to get my kicks on. They're Japanese and boringly reliable too 😀

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    If im still in a job I'm buying a Mk 3 Suberb 2.0 dsl next year. I could buy a Yaris but hey ho I want a bit of luxury.



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