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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Even the most basic research could have saved you this embarrassment. Have a read through this list. It’s a **** show of a country.

    https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/nigeria

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 22,087 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod: More posts deleted. Again, there is a separation thread to discuss the attack in Germany.

    Do not reply to this on thread, PM if you have queries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    You got me.

    Checkmate.

    We are responsible for half of Nigeria so.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    lovely. It’s nice to get such a clear win. Thanks for conceding gracefully.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Don't think its been shared or mentioned here yet, but there's a video doing the rounds of contractors doing groundwork and installing pods in Crooksling. Seems similar set up to the cabins at the massive Floods cross site in Naas.

    One wonders did they follow the correct procedures and relevant environmental studies etc or are the department building more unauthorised camps like elsewhere in the country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Imo, it is very odd that information about refugee centres is clothed in secrecy while we are told by various ngo's, media and those involved or connected to the industry, that Irish society only benefits from the steady flood of people from all corners of the globe.

    If ordinary citizens are benefiting in myriad ways, one would expect that the minister and his department would be at pains to point out which of our lucky communities were to host new centres and all the cultural enrichment they bring. Instead the department hides the information and presents locals with a fait accompli.

    Also, if it's so beneficial, it's strange that communities all over the country are not vying to win that particular prize. Bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Also, one would imagine house prices would skyrocket in such places with the ready-made diversity arriving…citizens would be flocking to move there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Keeping it quiet spoils the fun for the pyromaniacs out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,347 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    This place is handy for them…..

    https://archive.ph/sx16K



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Some points made below by Roderick

    • it is a crisis situation

    It is a crisis situation for whom exactly? Why is this continual influx an everlasting crisis?

    There exists a crisis among Irish homeless and young people.

    - this is going to continue and accelerate in the future

    Wonderful. I knew that. Straight up replacement.

    • Laws need to be changed around planning to get these centers off the ground much quicker.

    I disagree. We don't need or want these.

    Feck off Roderick you muppet. You will be remembered as a villain.

    May you and your green party forever be banished as unelectable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭prunudo


    What a horrible, odious and arrogant man, treating the communities with absolute contempt, more concerned with accommodating ipas than protecting the rights of Irish citizens. He barely scrapped in at the general election, his polices helped destroy the Green party and yet he still ploughs on, dictating how the department should proceed with a flawed and deeply unpopular plan. He should be done for treason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭tom23


    Thank god he is not in a position anymore to do anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    He still is unfortunately, until the next Govt is formed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    ISIS is active across Europe.

    Europe is therefore unsafe.

    Close the borders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    A #£@& show correct but Nigeria still has a low acceptance rate and most will still get to stay by continued appeals .The reason it tops the list of applications for this year

    https://www.ipo.gov.ie/en/ipo/pages/statistics

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/number-of-appeals-by-people-denied-asylum-in-ireland-up-over-300-last-year-1640917.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    70% rejection rate, that tells us all we need to know.

    Now if only we could find out how many have actually left the country after being rejected it would be great.

    Post edited by Galwayguy35 on


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    70% rejection rate. Sound like the system is doing it’s job. What’s the problem

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Didn't a report this year state that the ejection rate of unsuccessful asylum applicants is somewhere around 4%?

    That's a system that's intrinsically broken. We can identify bogus claims but have no means to remove these people from the state.

    What a raw deal for genuine applicants, refugees and indigenous homeless people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I'd also be interested to know how many appeals AS are entitled to and how much they are costing the taxpayers here.

    Going to court isn't cheap especially when it's someone else footing the bill.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Maybe as we are now in the EU Migration Pact, this may change

    Ireland made 2,758 requests to other EU countries to take responsibility for an asylum claim between January 2020 and April 2024, figures show, with just 1.1 per cent carried out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    As I thought everybody actually knew, almost none are deported



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Exactly, it’s just another cost for taxpayers as we are footing the bill for any appeal and the costs of continuing accommodation and living expenses until the appeals process is exhausted. I read recently that some EU countries stop supports when a claim for asylum is rejected. I’ll try to find it again and post a link. If other EU countries have stricter processes that comply with international obligations, maybe our government could learn from their example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    The number of deportation orders is rising but not at the pace of the growing number of arrivals . Before COVID it was 3500 a year this year it will be 18000 .The 70 percent rejection rate demonstrates how many are false claims .

    Appeals can go for years and they can even make a new application.

    I would not be surprised that those working with a deportation order just change address and continue working.Self deportation is not checked .

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41504756.html

    Post edited by rgossip30 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    You do know that those who are rejected here and asked to 'self deport' rarely do that. The overwhelming non-enforcement of the law here is the problem and it shows clearly that 'the system is not doing it's job' at all.

    This laissez faire approach from the system itself and it's open borders supporters is a blatant disregard for the law in the area of asylum seekers. The same supporters then wonders why right and far-right parties are surging in popularity across the western world and seem incapable of ever joining the dots.

    Then there are those on the hard-left/NGO of the spectrum who would only love to see a few million asylum seekers flood into Europe just to stick it to the man. It would be petty and juvenile if it were not so serious the consequences that inevitably follow from such policies. A critical thinker would deem these as malignant actors, I tend to agree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    It's not just about "Stick it ot the man" there's financial implications.

    Without AS they NGOs would be deprived of support, without the AS the governments friends hotels/buildings wouldn't be full. This isn't even including the lawyers that are licking their lips representing these AS and the money they'll make on the back of the Irish citizen

    It's a new industry this blight as created in our country where the rich get richer while our hard earned money is going to these lot. It boils my blood that my tax is going to this shite



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Why are you asking me? I’m not the one who posted the stat.

    If they were rejected, they should be deported. Remember my stance here: quicker processing and quicker deportation. I am not arguing they should be allowed stay.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I’ll ask again: what can done to deter new arrivals without breaking the law?


    I want the focus on faster processing and faster deportation. At least that way there will be fewer asylum seekers in a “holding” pattern.

    Yes, Denmark have a decent approach. But they DO NOT completely close the door to certain countries, from what I can see.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Ireland should increase the safe countries list and anymore from safe countries, then rejection on the spot, active war zones should be the priority only,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Denmark's policy changes reduced their numbers of asylum seekers arriving by over 90%.

    Theres nothing stopping us from copying their measures exactly and hoping for a similar effect. They've been in place for years now in Denmark and are still working - the measures very clearly work in the real world, and most could be brought in with the stroke of a pen almost overnight.

    Nothing except our current government's incompetence on the issue of border control, anyway.



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