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BANDSCAN THREAD

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    The coax to the set top boxes was so leaky that the 'closed circuit ' relays could be picked up across the county.

    It became an issue in the late 90s when Cablelink/NTL started relaying BBC Radio off Astra , there was a One second delay (approx) so when driving around Dublin a car Radio would flip constantly between the actual FM frequency (eg 90.1) and the one second delay 90.1 Cable relay.

    Allocating 90.1 FM to the AM service Spirit Radio put an end to eg BBC Radio 2 on the car radio in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭Rock Solid


    When Sunshine 101 closed, alot of gear was left behind at the Sands Hotel including the huge tower. Afew weeks later Cookie and gang approached the Sands hotel owners posing as scrap men / professional antenna dismantlers and removed everything to there surprise some txs where there ! Which were taken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Yet the tower and 531 TX were used by Century......

    The studio equipment did find a new home in a hospital radio station.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Omnia 5


    I’m just waiting for a call back this evening to hear how Joe Doyle remembers it. But yes the scrap merchants Cooke and sons was how they got the old TX’s.

    The sands hotel mast is still in use on mohercroom co Cavan for newstalk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭kazoo106


    Are you sure it didn't fall in the winds several years back?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Sticking to facts, the MW installation, TX and Tower were sold to Century though an Oliver Barry-Stafford company .This would have been mid'89 .

    The owner of the Sands ,John Ryan, reached agreement through Robbie for rent on the Tower to be offset by Century carrying advertising for Tomangos.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Omnia 5


    I don’t disagree with your facts at all.

    I do know Cooke and Doyle went to collect scrap from the sands (as in AM TX’s). That ended up in his back garden in wheatfield.

    The mast from the sands did end up on mohercroom as I rented space on it from Stanley Dagg (site owner) and we got talking about it. it’s been a few years since I’ve been there. So it might have blown down.

    And I’m waiting on a call to find out what Joe remembers about the 100.3 getting relayed on 1143.
    which is the original post enquiry.
    thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Omnia 5


    Talked to Joe (not Duffy)

    Yes the 100.3 was originally put on to use the cablelink relay that century used. The AM was just a bonus. He said it was only on for a day or two on AM before it was turned off but they got a couple of months on cablelink.

    The AM rigs that they got as scrap from the container at the sands hotel were 1kw and 5kw possibly Harris. Left to rot in Cooke’s back garden in wheatfield estate. Such a shame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    The story (ies) don't tally with the widely accepted ,and documented facts.

    The Sunshine AM installation and Tower at the Sands were sold mid'89 to Century and carried Century from circa Nov'89 from the Sands. The 531 being the on air TX.

    Yet the two TXs were apparently in Cookes back garden and the Tower had been dismantled......

    Can you provide any explanation for the discrepancy ?

    When Century switched off 100.3 it wasn't Radio Dublin that first came on the frequency. There are no records of a relay on 1143 of Radio Dublin or anyother station on 100.3 FM , I also doubt that the Radio Dublin100.3 would have been picked up in Portmarnock. (And was a STL not mandated ?)

    I stand over the Cablelink relay - it didn't happen, It would have been shut down immediately either way. Joe tells the story in ithe context of a raid that happened, the raid on the morning of Ray Burkes Ard Fheis address.

    If Burke was going to include this in his address is unknown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭TheBMG


    can’t remember the 1143 story but the Cablelink FM relay was very much real and went on for quite some time.

    Cooke did physically get his greasy mitts on the Century AM set up but that happened several months after the Century closedown.

    Cookie and Doyler being a pair of saps then let them rust to oblivion in Cooke’s back garden.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,412 ✭✭✭Antenna


    No one else has ever said this happened on 1143 after Century closure. Anoraks/DXers would surely have tuned to the frequencies of the station immediately after they heard of the abrupt closure to see if the transmitters were still on, and if they were, how long before they went off!

    Maybe there was just receiver 'bleedover' of 1188 onto 1143 very near the 1188 transmitter (after 1143 was actually switched off) and someone naively got it into their head that the above was happening?

    It would surely have been documented somewhere if it did. Ken Baird of DX archive is someone who surely would have noticed, amongst others. But no record of it on DXarchive site or elsewhere.

    Anyone remember how long after the station abruptly closed before the I assume silent 100.3 transmitter in Dublin was switched off (and their other transmitters)?

    A further twist to the story (of what happened AM transmission equipment) is the operators of weekend station 'Energy Power AM' reportedly had (in 2007) ex-Century 1143 AM 1kW transmitter, though not in use:

    https://hkdx.blogspot.com/2007/

    https://hkdx.blogspot.com/2007/12/i-will-be-in-dublin-ireland-5-10122007.html

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    That makes a lot more sense , it was the 'Century ' gear that was removed not Robbies equipment.

    Regarding the Cablelink relay , I know a conversation was had to the effect that the TX on 100.3 wasn't strong enough for a proper relay...…

    Happy Christmas @BMG and thanks for clearing the AM story up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Talking of Sunshine (and Q) , is that the late Bill Cunningham voicing the Bargaintown ads currently airing on Nova ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    I am open to correction but I thought the 100.3 FM carrier was left on for a few days while a rescue bid was put together, ultimately failing (over the following weekend ?) .

    Energy AM also have the original Energy and later Q102, 738 optimod (which would have come from Nova )

    I am sure @antenna you know where the Energy 10kw ended up before ultimately being sold overseas, the same 10kw that was originally Novas 819 TX



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Omnia 5


    I don’t know as I wasn’t there. But not everything gets logged. And we can only sometimes hope stories aren’t skewed.

    Cooke and Doyle plus joes kid went to the sands to collect the TX’s. It must have been Friday as Joe had the child that day. Parental stuff. Joe said £100 was paid for the scrap. I’d imagine to the reciever. This would have been late 91 early 92, so a few months after century had closed.

    I seen for myself the two transmitters in Cooke’s back garden around 1999. Both in a terrible state. I don’t know any other way Cooke would have come across such big units. He certainly wouldn’t have paid big money for anything he got over the years.

    As for the mast. I have no reason to doubt the late Stanley Dagg. He used it for Irish radio phones which was the company he ran until he let out space to newstalk on his masts.

    As for the 100.3 relay came from Cooke’s house in wheatfield. Is it not possible that the cablelink relay was also used as the link for the AM in the sands. RTÉ might have had issues relaying the FM form 3rock as it was only low power.

    Anyway. As I said. Can’t log everything.
    happy Christmas

    Damo 🎅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Omnia 5


    Back to topic.

    Did anyone log Easy radio when it was a pirate around 2018/19 when it was on 105.2 and was carried by virgin media epg on the Christmas FM channel in January ?

    I rang Paul Wilson when I heard it myself to let him know. He got about a week from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭Orban6


    I think Sunshine had 3 AM transmitters. The original on 531 were 2 (Marconie?) 500 watt transmitters combined. I suspect these were the ones Cooke had. No idea about the other one. Maybe he had that as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭TheBMG


    the Century 100.3 rig was switched off for a couple of days but was fired back onto a blank carrier when it seems that there may have been a comeback. Of course there wasn’t and so the network was switched off again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭Orban6


    The AM Optimod Energy AM were using was an ex BBC unit. I'm not aware of them using the Nova 738 Optimod.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Omnia 5


    it’s quite possible. The units I seen were about 5/6 foot tall. Shame we didn’t have smart phones back then.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭Orban6


    The 1st run of Choice was 2005 and was FM only. The AM was 2006 and 2007 I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭Orban6


    Regarding your last point, I don't think anybody got a relay after Choice went off air. On the 2006 transmission, the transmitter switched of shortly after after the end of broadcasting and did not return the following week. I don't think it happened in 2007 either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭Orban6


    Are you sure the 50 was converted to LW? I don't think so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭Orban6


    I think the R Dublin was a PO or Ship radio. It could have been modded to sound decent, but wasn't. I believe it was 5 k. The LLCR rig was the BIG D transmitter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,412 ✭✭✭Antenna


    Someone tell the Rte Guide that RTE's "Long Wave Transmission" is well and truly gone (see attached image). BBC Radio Ulster and Foyle no longer have MW either. + Astra transponder is out of date



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭TheBMG


    and I think Sammy from Liberty ended up giving Cooke that LLCR/Big D rig in 1989



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    The 3 Rock is down as a high power transmitter. Yet it is a fill in transmitter, as the Dublin Mountains block Kippure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭TheBMG


    I wouldn’t call Three Rock a ‘fill in’ tbh. The commercial stations are running up to 15kw from it and it’s of strategic importance too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    LLCR rig was originally Capitols 1017AM TX.

    @Tow ,I think it's more than fair to call 3 Rock a higher power site ,12kw ?

    @Orban6 , a new poster, but it's Christmas, accidental relay on 1278 did happen and the only question on the 50kw conversion is who carried it out ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭Orban6


    Which year did the 1278 accidental relay happen? If it was during the first AM transmission, I can assure you it didn't. The transmitter was switched off right after the broadcast ended. If it was after the second licence, then it wasn't accidental.

    Officially, I think 3 Rock is a filler. Main station for Dublin is Kippure.

    Regarding the 50 kW, I'm not sure it was ever on LW. My info, possibly wrong, is that 254 was less than 10 kW.



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