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Why do people drive unnecessarily large cars?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,341 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,772 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Is she a bit of a chunky monkey that needs the extra HP to get from A to B?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,273 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    Aren't we all?

    Bus drivers pass a bus driving test and obtain a bus licence, if this is what you mean by "professionally trained" then I had a "professional" instructor train me to drive a car.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    It's only in recent memory that there was a requirement to have professionals give you driving lessons FWIW. My dad taught me to drive. And my mother is one of those who never passed her test but has a full licence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,036 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    There's a difference. Once you pass your test and get full licence that's it. You don't have to resit the test again to maintain your licence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Naos


    Perhaps she's used to people cutting her off, not letting her out etc when she's in her bus and want's a bigger car to avoid that.

    There's a marked difference driving a small car compared to a bigger car and how you're treated on the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Op is site banned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    The difference being that buses serve a useful purpose, and are driven by people who had to pass an additional test and have been made aware of the increased dangers posed by the size of their vehicle, and the necessity for an increased level of forward planning. Whereas SUVs are useless and are mostly driven by idiots who rarely look beyond the end of their bonnets and aren't aware of either their own limitations or the size of the vehicle.

    They should be banned.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    I don't think they should be banned just taxed into oblivion. They are very useful for farmers and people who need a heavy duty vehicle for towing.

    Simple way to stop people buying is either prove you have a reason to have one and get a tax exemption or buy one and be taxed to sh1t on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭jodaw


    Because you can actually sit and relax in RR rather the bones shaking off you all the way home in some **** box...

    The possibility of it folding up like a deckchair in crash is also a plus...

    If a manufacturer can make it and someone someone can afford it, it is absolutely none of your business OP..

    Maybe you don't like the size of their kitchen next? They might have a double range oven to go with the range rover



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    IIt Gives you a bit more protection if some idiot crashes into you. An old Toyota land cruirser with bull bars on the front would be a dream.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    It's everyone's business, because (contrary to what the average SUV driver might feel) we all have to share the roads. Smaller cars, driven safely, are safer than allowing idiots to swan around in cars that are too big for their abilities. Perhaps that's why SUVs are driven so badly - the people inside them are too comfortable and unaware of what's going on around them. I've been driving 40 hours a week for the last decade and a half, and I have never seen a Range Rover being driven well.

    The kitchen comparison is weirdly apt. If you're sh*t at cooking, it doesn't matter how big your kitchen is. You'll still be sh*t at cooking - although at least it's nobody else's problem. If you're sh*t at driving, it does matter how big your car is - not only because of the damage it can do, but because you lack the spatial awareness to control it in a safe manner. And that's everyone's problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭babyducklings1


    Well for a start we don’t have enough public transport, that would be a game changer especially if it was more widely available.. Other than that all the reasons people have mentioned.

    No point judging people, people need different types of cars to meet different needs. But really good public transport now that would be something. Was talking about this earlier with family while doing Christmas meet up. Think people are open to the idea of trains etc. but we just don’t have enough high speed, frequency etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12


    that system is already in place. commercial vehicles at flat rate of 333 tax vs private vehicles with up to 2K tax depending on engine size



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,466 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Tell us more about never seeing a range rover being driven well in your thousands of hours of observation

    I've seen plenty and I haven't even been really looking 🙃



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Amused to just see this thread as I have been thinking the same thing recently. The increase in large vehicles and drivers struggling to handle them has definitely become a thing. I was parked in town a few days ago when a car left the street space in front of me. Soon after 2 large suvs made an attempt to park in it. The second guy took so long that the traffic was backing up and people began getting frustrated. Both drivers gave up and moved on.

    I have noticed a number of women pulling into car parks in ford raptors and similar large vehicles. It's becoming a bit ridiculous as car parking spaces and access lanes are not designed for such vehicles.

    It's silly saying people should be able to buy what they want when it's clearly becoming a problem for traffic movement and safety. You are more likely to kill a child in an SUV as they are less visible due to the high bonnet. These vehicles are getting wider by 1cm every 10 years.

    Time to seriously increase the tax on them with concessions only for people who genuinely need them for their job as someone already suggested.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    It'd be gas if revenue did actually clamp down - like they should - on people using vehicles taxed commercially, for private use. I expect we'd see a lot fewer of those ford raptors on the roads. No way in hell should they be seen in urban or suburban areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭jiminho


    Always love this question. I’m surrounded by people who think the same. Driven a series of SUVs and trucks over the last 10 years and “in my opinion” they offer more than a standard car.

    Driving position is much better. You feel at a natural height above the road, can see more of your surroundings, and are easier to get in and out of. This is particularly helpful for the elderly, children, and anyone with disabilities.

    Anyone who has children, shouldn’t even be a question.

    Bigger and more useable cargo space in the rear. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve put down the middle three seats and helped transport things.

    Generally safer cars. If I’m going to be in a car accident, I would rather be in a higher position with more material around me. This could be one of the reasons OPs example could be driving one. Regarding the pedestrian question, to combat that, perhaps we should just remove all the cars off the road and walk everywhere.

    The average suv is not much bigger than smaller hatchbacks. The Peugeot 5008 is about 100mm wider and 500mm longer than an ID3. They have a much higher clearance and are obviously taller cars which gives the appearance they are substantially larger. Also, in terms of footprint, some of the largest cars on the road are the big limousine cars eg. A8, 7 series which I see as many as Range Rovers. If you’ve ever tried to drive one of those in a car park, bloody nightmare. Like driving a space shuttle which ironically people say to me about my Peugeot ;)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭blackbox


    Why do people drive unnecessarily?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Ah the typical silly line 'maybe we should remove all cars and walk'. Of course you know full well that no one is even hinting at that. Most of us here drive every day. It's about safety for all and reducing congestion and parking issues. The comments here are mainly about defenders, raptors, land rovers and other comparable sized SUVs that have no place in urban areas. If the taxes are substantially increased then it will reduce theamount of them on our streets and those who need them for work or can afford them can still drive them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    These SUVs seem to have replaced 7 seaters as the vehicle of choice for people with a lot of kids. I don't know why the Opel Zafira isn't even made anymore for example. Don't see as many of these vehicles that you did 10 or 15 years ago. Can't see how an SUV is any better than a Ford Galaxy say.

    An estate also provides more boot space than a standard saloon or hatchback plenty of other alternatives to SUVs.

    Yeah their safer cars if involved in an accident for the occupants of the vehicle but as another pointed we don't use our vehicles in isolation and SUVs are far more dangerous for other road users.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭lalababa


    Car makers and dealerships are businesses. Usually the higher the retail price the higher the margin. Suvs are (very generally😁) around 40k to buy. Small hatchbacks around 20k. Saloons around 30k.

    So suvs could have double the margin or more than small hatchbacks. Therefore suvs were pushed in the advertising. And now and for a good while they have been very popular..almost the norm. This has another social effect ..."if I don't have an suv I'm not normal" "Johnny up the road has an suv as does Mary down the road..ill be damned if I don't have one for myself" . They're just the trend atm unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    SUVs are warranted when living out in the sticks with poor infrastructure and crappy roads but for city living I don't see the point other then it being a stupid symbol of status or do driver's consider themselves safer driving one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭jiminho


    Fair enough. The SUV hate is on a scale though and some people can’t stand them full stop whether there one of those super mini-esque SUVs or to the fully kitted out Defenders. I do really dislike this idea of over taxing certain things as if we were do apply that for everything, I feel like society will be squeezed in a box where everyone is the same.
    Want something more than a 3 bed semi, or hey, your single, you don’t need more than a 1 bed apartment? Let’s tax you more for that. Want to go on two holidays per year - let’s double your carbon tax shall we. We’ve already taxed alcohol and sugar, what about water? That beer will now cost yeah double. Eating out twice per week! Way too much - let’s tax you some more. I’m running out of ideas so let’s just call it a “fun” tax, that will get you eating more at home!

    I’m being sensationalist but it’s a slippy road and it’s a road we’re already on to be honest. If someone wants to go out and buy a Land Rover, bloody let them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭jiminho


    I will add and respond to my previous point that we did have a 8 seater mini-van for 5 years when the kids were really young and it was a fantastic car. It was still a fairly big car though, not far off some of the SUVs you see today but regardless, they have fallen off the planet and been replaced by SUVs. If there was a decent mini-van available when I went to replace our first one, I might still be driving one but there was virtually nothing available and the SUVs were far more modern



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭Westernview


    'SUV hate' 🙄

    Completely ignoring the reasonable issues raised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,036 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    "Generally safer cars. If I’m going to be in a car accident, I would rather be in a higher position with more material around me."

    You sure about that? The higher the car, the more likely it's going to roll over on you. Whack anything into a hard surface at a high enough speed any car is going to crumple up like a tin can.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,898 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Plenty got bus licences too without a test originally.



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