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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    I think it's a lot more of a runner these days than it was in yesteryear. Can't remember the thread it was in , but someone posted there recently (within the last week) asking for advice on 420-430w panel there for €57 each.

    Jeez, I remember paying double that and then some for a 365w panel 2 years ago. At those kind of prices for panels nowadays things which weren't that feasible even a few short years ago are suddenly much more viable.

    With panels so cheap - even north facing will recoup your outlay quickly enough. To be fair now, you won't get much production out of them in winter, but they will pay for themselves.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,829 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    its not the panels that are stopping expansion for lots, it's the fittings and restrictive NC6



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    True - though many people in the past skipped installing panels on north roofs as it simply wasn't worth it. I'm lucky enough to have East / West (and south on my shed), and I'd have thought twice about it myself a few years back. Nowadays I'd be plastering all and sundry. :-)

    Agreed with you about the NC6 restrictions….still some inverters even go to 100% over provisioning. (got to watch the string voltage though that's probably the determining factor for most now)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    it’a most likely the installer stopping expansion by strongly advising against it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    Great re-use of legacy Cold War underground oil storage in Sweden to store heat for a district heating system.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭silver_sky


    There's district heating in Tallaght from the Amazon data centre. It provides heat to TU Dublin and local authority buildings.

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    https://www.type.ie/blog/the-tallaght-district-heating-scheme

    EDIT: there's talks of a similar scheme for Blanchardstown but it would be 5x the size covering commercial manufacturing, social housing, sports ireland campus, and the TU Dublin facility there too.

    https://dublininquirer.com/2024/03/13/council-weighs-up-whether-to-press-ahead-with-district-heating-scheme-in-blanchardstown/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    The window squidgy came in handy to remove snow from the ground mounted panels. Even with the freeze tonight the array should be fine to produce power tomorrow.

    The array on the roof is a different story. They are unlikely to produce anything until Thursday or Friday. Currently an inch or two of snow sitting on them which will freeze shortly if it hasn't already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah if I'm ever upgrading the roof array I'd be tempted to stick some silicone heating pads onto the backs of the panels

    I'd likely only use them 1-2 times a year but if a fairly cheap solution is available then why not

    They seem cheap enough on Aliexpress, €12 or so gets a 20x25cm pad. They can run off 48v as well so could run directly from the battery (handy in a power cut)

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    From a fire hazard point of view I don't know if I'd be happy having something like that from AliExpress anywhere near my house.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,829 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Winter production is so poor there is little to be gained, I would not bother



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    +1 on that. You'd spend more on the cheap electric pads than you would ever save over the life of the panels. Best thing you could do if you really wanted to, was once you were sure that there wasn't an addition freeze coming, get out the hose and if you have enough water pressure to reach the roof - just spray the snow off the panel with cold water. Even cold water at 2-3 degrees will melt off the snow.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,741 ✭✭✭✭josip


    What's the best thread to ask a general Heat Pump question? Please move if not here.

    We've a B3 1970s 3-bed semi-d. 90sqm, gas boiler, normal rads, MHRV, decent windows.

    The gas boiler is working ok and I can't see any reason to change to a heat pump but am wondering if I'm missing something?

    We're reasonably environmentally conscious, have had solar thermal and MHRV for 15 years, but I can't see a heat pump being better for global warming in our case, at least for the next 5 years. Only 35% of Ireland's electricity comes from renewables and it will be at least another 5 years before a sufficient amount of offshore wind becomes available to change that. Considering the distribution losses of electricity, is there much environmental benefit of a 65% gas powered HP versus a 92% efficient condensing boiler?

    Our gas Heating costs last year were €1300 for 9,000kWh. What would a realistic cost be for running a heat pump? €600 ? So a saving of €700 per year versus the heatpump installation cost. I've seen €16k quotes here. So a 22 year payback and the expected lifetime of a heatpump?

    I expect our rads will need to be replaced with larger rads and the pipework upsized. Which will mean walls and ceilings replastered. Hot water cylinder is a Kingspan Albion solar coil cylinder, so could that be reused? Or do we lose the solar thermal if we do reuse?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    If boiler is working fine, there's no reason to change. Especially if it's a relatively new condensing boiler.

    As for the other factors, yes there is transmission losses for electricity, but gas also has its costs for transport - both is built into the cost of supply. Electricity has distribution losses but gas also needs pumps, storage etc too I wouldn't worry about that difference.

    As the grid gets more renewable the heatpump instantly also gets more renewable.

    Say all the power comes from gas, combined cycle gas plants, get about 60% efficiency.

    Takes 10kWh of gas, gets 6kWh of electric, in a heatpump with a conservative cop of 3 that will get 18kWh into the house.

    Can't speak for cost as every house is different. But if a boiler is end of life, I'd definitely price it. And the payback would be on the difference in the two prices.

    Hot water cylinders can be reused, it may have an impact on efficiency depending on the coil inside the tank.

    As for radiators/pipe work. I'm in a house built in 1980 and pipework is fine. Radiators, generally if your already on double radiators it should be fine too, this is where heat loss calculations come into play. (See heatpunk for a online calculator)

    As you mention that you will think your radiators will need upgraded, is your boiler able to get into condensing mode? If you see steam out the flue in this cold weather, it isn't. Possibly reducing the flow temperature to get the return temperature lower could make it run a bit more efficiently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭deezell


    You're committing the eco fan boy error of overly optimistic eco efficiencies to support your case. Think more like 3.5kw of electricity at your point of consumption per 10kw of oil/coal/gas, at various power plants. A real world COP of 3 is only achievable when its mildly cold and you can warm an A+ rated house with a modest 30-40° flow. Push the heatpump in cold weather and your cop drops as you heat the flow with more and more consumed electricity. Some HP manufacturers show these figures in their specs, with plenty of 1.5 and less COP stats after modest increase in demand.

    Spend your ten grand on better insulation, put 50mm boards on the inside of external walls, maybe triple or thermal glaze the windows, and enjoy your 95% efficient gas boiler until there's some honesty in the eco alternatives. There's feck all solar or wind these last few freezing nights, and those with HPs and no electricity will freeze to death as they've no fireplace either. Their EV battery is flat too.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Never said to the op to get a heatpump.

    Good job I have data to back up my claims then.

    1980 bungalow, have the kitchen insulated but rest is "stock", 16".. I think, could be 12" of attic insulation so nothing fancy. Scop running at 3.5, in the north west so not getting the worst of the cold, cop of 2.8ish.. for what a week? It's gonna be double digits by the weekend . If I had an a rated house id be hitting 4 maybe 5. I think it was something like a D1 before I got solar. (Although the 35+ yr old oil boiler hammered the Ber)

    I do have less use the last few days because I lit my stove, didn't want to spend the more expensive day rate. (And the barley crusher was eating my battery).

    https://emoncms.org/app/view?name=EcoAir&readkey=82a75750e2f56ccdc7e96768b9776268&mode=daily&start=1704844800&end=1736467200

    Maybe you should check your "heatpump bad" bias too.

    As for no electricity.. if you have no electricity you don't have oil or gas heating either 🤔

    Ps..my stove burns... Turf😱😂

    Just for completeness all these are MID certified monitors :

    https://heatpumpmonitor.org/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    Why would the Ev battery be flat? You do realise you can go to a public chargepoint too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭deezell




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    Why would it be flat? I’ve two EV’s of older vintage in the driveway, nowhere near as good as current generation of purpose-built EV platforms, and neither is flat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭JohnySwan




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    In that case their diesel car must also be empty.

    And the local filling station cannot use their electric fuel pumps either.

    Post edited by Busman Paddy Lasty on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Cos EVs bad - and they don't work in winter , and you spend all day at a charge point , a

    And you have to change the battery every 10 mins anyway ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,823 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭deezell


    And you've had no power for two days and the nearest charger had no power either and your EV range was savaged by the frozen battery and the energy sapping drive through the snow to the nearest shop, so you turned back. I had no power but I have a genny, but after 5 hours I had to drive to get more petrol for it, and my nearest filling station had no power for the pumps, so I'd to go further. I'd plenty of fuel in the car though, plenty of heating oil, and logs.The genny wouldn't operate a heat pump, or charge an EV, but it can spin the oil boiler.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 613 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    Funny that, my Ev hasn't needed a charge in over a week, just over 200km driven. My genny can run the heat pump and charge my 26kwh storage battery. Nice to be able to switch the genny off at night. Power was out today and we didn't even notice as the batteries took over, but carry on 🫡



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    I was easily getting 360km out of an eNiro in winter. I didn't have home charging by the way. I don't know why you think EVs would be magically flat?

    You didn't have enough genny petrol and needed more after 5 hours FFS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    What are the best value rack mount 48v batteries to buy at this time? Thinking of building a partially off the grid system for the summer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,638 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    The best ones are the cheapest you can find. But try make sure they use single prismatic cells not multiple pouches like Pylontech

    Are you any way technically inclined, as in can you assemble an Ikea flatpack? Then look into self build from a complete package. I.e. the Fogstar kits. Or DIY from start to finish, see the DIY build thread here. Lots of fun and plenty help from us locals:

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058246061/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,638 ✭✭✭✭unkel




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Nice ,

    There is bit of truth In a lot of those statements, but a little truth can cover a whole load of shite ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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