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Is it worth paying for a management service on a rental?

  • 17-12-2024 09:08PM
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    Hi all,

    I'm planning to rent out my house in January.

    I was advised to pay for rental management service as I have fear about the place getting destroyed and tenants refusing to leave when I go to sell it in about three years' time.

    My question is - will paying for this service protect me against the above or is it a waste of money?

    Also, both estate agents advised me to rent it out rather than sell it. Are they saying that because renting it out using their management service benefits them more?

    Thanks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,611 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    All paying for this does is mean you don't get a tenant calling you, they call the agency. The agency then contacts you.

    If there's an issue the agency can use their contacts with a handyman to get it sorted.

    They'll also do all the vetting of tenants and will do inspections on the property.

    I have an agency to manage my rental and wouldn't be without it.

    It won't protect you from anything else you mentioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 autogrow


    waste of money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,611 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    If you don't mind being called all hours of the day, after hours, on the weekends, on holidays then fair enough. It might be.

    I don't need any of that though so will gladly pay my 92 euro a month not to have to deal with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,376 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    just sell it now. Has is appreciated in value since you bought it? If so and you rent it out. You’ll be liable for CGT when you do sell it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,334 ✭✭✭meijin


    why not sell it now?

    seems like too much effort and risk for just 3 years of renting it out



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,891 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I'm sure you can write it off against tax so it won't actually cost the OP anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,611 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    You're only liable for CGT on the years you've rented it out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,611 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I'd agree here, wouldn't get into renting if there's a set date not too far off in the future where you need it vacant to sell, not worth the risk.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,611 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Do you want to live there? Is there a reason you can't live there now?

    If it's a house you want to live in then hold onto it. If not then sell it.

    Renting is really more an investment game, I wouldn't play with your actual PP residence when it comes to it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,611 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    If that were me I'd sell and take a cool 100k to put into my next property. Seems like a bit of a no brainer! ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭Odelay


    "Are they saying that because renting it out using their management service benefits them more?"

    Pretty simple to work out the percentage they would make on their recommended selling price, versus what they would make as an agents fee over three years. Simple to work that out if that is what you're worried about.

    Also, will they absorb the costs of a plumber etc. or will they get the most expensive/easiest option and just bill you for it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,611 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    You'd get an invoice for the plumber like you would if you were getting work on your own house.

    My guys have always asked for the go ahead before getting work done to see if I'm happy with the price. I'd imagine any decent letting agency would too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,117 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    My experience of letting agents is different to yours.

    Their vetting systems are pretty much useless. They fail to answer tenants queries. They don't have emergency contacts for tenants. Their supply of professionals to fix issues are poor. That is with multiple agents over time.

    If there is a leak late at night the agent is not available so a tenant may do nothing. If they can call me I can do something.

    Yes tenants can call at some random times but rarely an issue and I prefer that for emergencies and tenants contacting me inappropriately will understand very quickly when and how to contact me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,189 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    OP, I've used agencies for multiple properties, and also did it myself for multiples units back in the day.

    My experience is that people who have bad experiences with agencies tend to have chosen bad agencies. Agencies who call you saying "they say the boiler's broken, who serviced your boiler" or "the front door lock is jammed, do you happen to have another key we could try".

    If you choose a good agent who deals with tenant issues promptly and professionally (i.e. so the tenant doesn't have your contact details at all) then I believe it is money very well spent. It seems like a waste until you get a call on a Sunday night that the heating is not working, or the water pressure is low, or the lock is jammed… and then what do you do? A good landlord will be straight out there, taking care of it. I love the fact that I never, ever, ever have to deal with or meet tenants or even visit my property, but I also love knowing that if my tenants have a problem, it is taken seriously and dealt with.

    If you live nearby, and are fairly handy, then by all means try it yourself. I used to have a landlord on the IOM who had five places and dealt with everything himself, he was great, and very professional.

    If you travel a lot, are not so handy, and value your time at all, then get a good agent. I had a landlord in Dublin many years ago who said "can you not wait till after the Xmas, sure you are probably out a lot" when the heating packed in the week before Xmas. This was a guy with 10+ units and a well known pub in south Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,189 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    I have a threshold (currently 300) so the agent knows if the repair or problem is less than that, don't call me, don't text me, just do it. Perfect system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,189 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    "They fail to answer tenants queries. They don't have emergency contacts for tenants. Their supply of professionals to fix issues are poor."

    • There are loads and loads of **** agents out there (mostly letting agents who do management as a sideline), but there are plenty of good ones. I always recommend ones that are (a) local and (b) have an office.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    Managing agents are no protection against tenants wrecking a place or refusing to leave when the time is up. A good agent can, when letting, advise on furniture, decoration and vet potential tenants properly to minimise the risk of things going wrong. Nobody has a crystal ball to predict the future. A house should not have too many out of hours call outs. This can be a problem as it is difficult to build up a relationship with tradesmen where the work is infrequent. A good managing agent should have plenty of available tradesmen. It is a wild west choosing agents and personal recommendation is the only way. Some efficient agents organise things proactively. I know one who tells all landlords that she will have boilers serviced at a particular time of the year. Then she gets one man to do them all one after another. This makes it economic and efficient.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thanks for all the comments :)

    My main reason for wanting to use a management service is to create some sort of shell of protection for myself as never been a landlord before.

    Very few people seem to report having a good experience with being a landlord (well a one house landlord)



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thanks for your comment :)

    The man I contacted (well known local estate agent) seems very hands on and experienced.

    Just hoping for some sort of shell of protection as never been a landlord before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭dam099


    You don't write it off against the tax liability, its against the taxable income so not no cost. Assuming the OP is a higher rate taxpayer that will approximately halve the net after tax cost to them (which will possibly make the benefits others have given for the service more attractive versus their reduced cost).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Not how tax works. It'll cost them 87.5% of the charge after tax



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,891 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Beaten to it by 7 minutes.

    It's questions like this which is why I have a tax adviser.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Sell it. No headache and who knows you may not get the the same price in near future

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭dennyk


    A management service doesn't really provide you any protection, per se. At best, a good one will take some of the administrative hassle of letting a property off your hands, but you are still the landlord at the end of the day and are still fully responsible for everything yourself; the buck stops with you. You'll still have to instruct the agency, as their client, and if the agency screws something up (issuing invalid notices, failing to handle repairs in a timely manner, failing to remit your taxes properly if you have them handling that, etc.), you're the one who will be penalised for it, and you'd then have to take your own legal action against your agent for their negligence or breach in turn. As others have noted, a management agency also doesn't protect you from bad tenants in any way; even if they try to do a decent job at vetting prospective tenants, that doesn't mean much.



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