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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Oh look, another article from the journal with vague details and trying to blame everything on the people who are protesting the unjust ipas development at Lissywollen. The longer the government contuine on this path, the more communities the department trample over, the more likely some individuals will play dirty. Treat locals with contempt and they will push back against the establishment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    No one here is cheerleading the emergency exit being shut. The vast majority of people protesting were not involved with that. This is just another example of social cohesion coming apart though. That’s not a justification or excuse. It just is what it is. We’ve been warning that social cohesion is getting worse each day. Like you megamanboo I’m also worried about how things are going and what will happen. We all are



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Right so. Shut down the thread so. No point in talking about it. Let’s just all complain without suggesting anything viable.


    people have said “do it like Denmark”. I don’t see an issue with that. People have said “reject more applicants” but given zero ideas on how that would happen.

    Apparently because I want to keep taking in refugees I’m “pro immigration” and “open borders”. This thread is ridiculous

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    We also have centres to place these people, we would have a lot more if others didn't keep burning them down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭tom23


    Genuine question, how many refugees do you think Ireland should take every year?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭Rooks


    Are locals not entitled to object? Actually skip that, were they even consulted?



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Neither of those are a direct result of 'refugee policy' (which doesn't really exist, it's an immigration policy, covers all immigration)

    If they were, there would be proof. There is none.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Object? Maybe.

    Commit arson of private property? Absolutely not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭Rooks




  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I think the fact that you equal objection with commiting arson says it all!

    You do realise not everything can be objected to?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭Rooks


    The arson/vandalism is a consequence of not being listened to. If you attempt to dump hundreds of strange men into a small village/town and don't even consult the local community then people are going to lash out. The far right of course take advantage of this and stoke the flames (literally and figuratively).

    But if the community was consulted in the first place then this could all be avoided. Instead they are called racist for voicing their concerns. This plays into the hands of the far right.

    But no, their right to object is conditional, apparently.

    I love how virtuous the left wing try to make themselves out to be. But all it boils down to is "agree with us, or else". Shutting people down is only going to create adverse reactions, hence the rise of the far right across the western world. The left just don't get it.

    But sure, keep on ignoring and marginalising these communities. That approach is working out real well for the left the past few years. 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Wait did you not say recently that there was centres being opened up every week and that most people have no issues? Now you’re saying centres keep being burned down. Which is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,643 ✭✭✭enricoh


    It's complex, it's complicated, ye don't understand folks.

    Helen add Nigeria to safe countries list, Roderick tweet in yer 8 languages about it n we'll work our way down the list of countries. The NGOs buddies on the adjudication panel for asylum applications are being replaced.

    Now run off to yer journalist /activists buddies and ye can all do one!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭tom23


    If I had a magic wand it would be to curtail the influence of the immigration NGO’s in policy and decision making. First and foremost I hope this new government have that in their crosshairs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Some people want Ireland destroyed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭Damien360


    It's the exact same government. Nothing is going to change. The alternative SF government funnily enough are also the exact same as the incumbents. Nobody is willing to grab the nettle in case they get accused of racism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Scared of their sh1t in case they get criticized by the plague of the woke left .



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Absolutely no clue to be honest. I don’t think we should turn away anyone with a genuine claim, unless we find a safe country to take them.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    is this supposed to be whimsical? It isn’t a reply to my post.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    How many refugees would you have in the house yourself?



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭prunudo


    But, whoever does grasp that nettle, will find that they have the support of a large portion of the electorate and will guarantee their own and their parties future for years to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Which sinn Fein shat the course on and won't be forgotten



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,841 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I suggest max 5,000 per year of programme refugees (i.e. not AS).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    What article was that? Or did TheJournal.ie pull it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    And if they travel through multiple safe countries to reach our barren rock?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    The unanswerable question whenever it is put to those who advocate that we must accept anyone with a 'genuine claim' or the question is totally avoided. In fairness here you have said you have no clue. However - let's delve into what data is out there, even just to grasp the scale of the problem.

    Just shy of 1 Billion people world wide have a desire to permanently migrate. (Source: Desire to Migrate Remains at Record High)

    While it has declined across several countries in the region, the desire to migrate remains near or above the 50% mark in nine countries. Seven of them -- Liberia, Sierra Leone, Ghana, the Republic of the Congo, Nigeria, the Gambia and Comoros -- are in the top 10 countries with the highest migration desire worldwide.

    That is a startling figure for some African nations. With ever increasing availability of cheap flights, cheap ferries, new routes and overall better transport links than there ever has been in the history of the world, this study should be sounding alarm bells very loud and clear in the government halls of Europe, the US and other 'Western Nations'.

    If this large-scale migration takes place it will collapse the whole world over. Poorer nations will be wiped out as only the wealthier folks of those nations will migrate. Richer nations will collapse from new arrivals putting pressure on every state service that exists - social cohesion will be decimated.

    The folly has to stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    That would require the building (from start to finish) of a Duleek, Co. Meath - every year just to accommodate all those refugees. Do you think that is achievable, especially with the current demand that exists?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It’s actually worse than that.
    while the population of Duleek is a little under 5,000, that’s in a town where most people would be living in family homes.
    The vast majority of Irelands recent arrivals appear to be single males or very small family groups (2-3). This would mean far more houses than Duleek, which, if we go by most small Irish towns, probably averages around 4 people per household.
    We’d probably need to build closer to the size of, say, Killarney, every year to accommodate 5,000 people if the majority were singles or couples. As it stands, most councils around the country have serious problems housing single Irish people on the housing list because of the cost of building one bedroom apartments or townhouses.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Meh. I don't know if these types of studies have any real value except to compare it to the last study of it's type conducted. Either way it is largely hypothetical.

    If you asked 100,000 people have they the desire to own a brand new car the figure would be widely different if you asked a the more pertinent question of are they actively trying to buy a brand new car.

    Also

    Desire to migrate has risen steadily in both countries since 2011 -- but most sharply in Canada, where the 20% who want to leave today is the highest on record and more than double the 8% who wanted to leave in 2011. Most of the increase in Canada has occurred since 2021.

    In the U.S., the 17% who said they wanted to leave in 2023 statistically ties the previous record high (which appears to have been shattered in new polling from 2024 that shows 21% want to move) and is seven points higher than the 10% recorded in 2011.

    Doubt they will be claiming asylum although we have had the odd American and a Canadian on the books as far as I remember.



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