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Walrus Returns... Again!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    In Fourth Place with Eleven Points is jluv with with If You Don't Know Me By Now by Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes



    It's a soul classic, and a unique one too, with its own particular register: frustrated and pissed-off. Increasingly pissed off.

     
    Is the guy an incorrigible piece of ****? Or his lady right to be suspicious... it's hard to tell. Anyway, it all sounds a bit stormy. Maybe that's the dynamic that's been keeping them going all along: it happens.

    Some of the lyrics, matched with the delivery, crack me up: "woman... you got yours too" - sounds like it could be the self righteous justification of a randy Tom Cat to me! And he's one patronising mofo: "don't get so excited".... 


    I do also find it funny how he starts off trying to placate at the start of the song, but he gets increasingly beseeching and emotionally irate as he goes on. Eventually working his way up to pure disgust - "TEN LONG YEARS!!"- before being brought to a place simply beyond words, due to his inner turmoil, with those howls over the fade out. I kinda wish there was another verse - imagine how real that could have got?


    But, aside from all that emotional complexity, musically it's great: the just-right deployment of the strings, the harmony vocals, the elegant and spacious arrangement, and, the frankly fcking amazing lead vocals.
     



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,015 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    In Third Place with Twelve Points is Irish Aris with Song 2 by Blur


    I have heard this song a lot. It takes me back to the boozy interiors of hundreds of countless indie discos down through the years. When it starts up, there's a Pavlovian recall of associative memory that rears up in me in response: I can hear - in my mind - the freshly empty clink of the smaller shot glass off the inside of the larger glass of many a Jagerbomb, hastily downed at the bar.

     
    To be honest, I thought I was totally sick of this song - I have heard it a lot - but I did ask myself: if you heard this now for the first time, wouldn't you find it kind of amazing?

    It's all so familiar that it can't fully thrill me anymore and, yes, it's more of a joke by the band than an actual song - but they knew what they were doing and, if I divorce myself from all the soundtracked memories and try to listen objectively - it is pretty good: the punchy drums, the incredibly simple but equally incredibly effective guitar work, the distorted bass is just iconic, that sense of dynamics - even if you've still heard the song a million gazillion times, when it kicks in you, at some basic level, still feel it, even if you want to deny it.

    So, yes, it's stupid, obnoxious and overplayed - but it is still a damn good tune.    



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Will finish off Round One tomorrow folks - all going well!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    An answer song from the woman in question would be interesting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,618 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    I'm really glad you liked Flimbo :)



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    What actually is the Flimbo thing?

    Is it an actual song that was released or on an album, or is it actually the loading page of an 80s game?

    That's a bloody random choice if it's the latter! Tis a fun one though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,782 ✭✭✭StrawbsM




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,618 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    It is actually the loading page on a Commodore C64 computer game :D

    This was the description I sent into Arghus -

    Category One - Flimbo's Quest - Loading Screen music :: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRoghzdWGxA - 8 years old and I have gotten a commodore 64 for Christmas. The console comes with a 4 cartridge set which includes the games, International soccer, Klax, Fiendish Freddy's Big Top O' Fun and Flimbo's Quest! I wouldnt let my parents turn off the TV for days as I played this and when you won the game, it just restarted and you continued with the same amount of time you had left to complete it. I think my record was beating the game 6 times in a row before I let my parents turn off the TV. It was such a game!

    The whole soundtrack is amazing.

    Thats a link to it there. Intro 1, the first track wasnt on the C64 cartridge and Intro 2 was unused which is a pity as its awesome. Everything from Loader onwards (4:20) were on the C64 Cartridge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Okay guys, we have four contestants left for Round One:

    Declan A Walsh

    JP LIZ V1

    StrawbsM

    cdeb



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I feel bad about this one because I get that this tune has sentimental value for the poster, but, look, I had to give my honest opinion, and, hey, my opinion, in the end, is worth no more than anyone else's - except in this thread: where it is.

    In Thirteenth Place with Two Points is StrawbsM with The Voyage By Christy Moore


    I know Christy is a beloved National Institution, like barn brack or Red Lemonade, and seems like a cool enough guy, but, I gotta confess: I can take or leave a lot of his musical output.

    I find him easier to take when he's working in a more comedic vein - Don't Forget Your Shovel, Joxer..., Lisdoonvarna - I've never found him to cut too deeply when he gets serious, not for me anyway. 

    And when he's in full on sentimental mode I find him to be a bit mawkish. I've always found this, one of his most beloved songs, to be pretty cheesy. The syrupy synths are (IMO) cheesy, the vocal melody is (IMO) cheesy, the lyrics are (IMO) cheese on toast. I can't listen to the painful nautical metaphors without feeling that I don't have my sea legs and that particular one of "Now gathered round us we have our own crew line"  makes me want to puke. Nope, not a fan of this song - sorry StrawbsM.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    I can safely say that while I'll stand by my nomination, it's not going to be better than all those songs.

    Which can only mean one thing...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Had an Amstrad 6128 back in the day (it's still in the attic in fact) and I remember those sort of intros well. They can have a sort of cool style to them of their own alright. Would never have thought of nominating one though!

    Certainly fits the nomination category though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    In Second Place with Thirteen Points is Declan A Walsh with Let's Stick Together by Bryan Ferry


    What an absolute banger of a song. 


    This was in or around the top two or three all the way through. I've always loved this song and it doesn't really get old to my ears.

    It's got such a great swing to it - a languid propulsiveness. The rhythms are absolutely killer: great, intricate drumming and percussion and some of the sweetest in-the-pocket bass playing you'll ever hear: just really tasty stuff. The saxs give it ear catching colour, without being overblown, and there's a great confidence in how the guitar is there as a supporting character, but always purposely understated.


    It swaggers and it's seductive, but there's a great feeling of vulnerability to it as well. You can't avoid noticing how it's basically a prayer, a plea: underneath all that hot stuff there's an emotional core. Hooky as hell as well, the "come on, come on" vocal line will just lodge in your head and that weird voice of Bryan Ferry's - very adept and accomplished, but also quivering and neurotic at the same - has never felt more perfect suited for a song. 


    Excellent stuff. Love it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    In Fourteenth Place with One Point is  JP Liz V1 with Maniac 2000 by Mark McCabe


    First of all, before anything else, I will say that the poster absolutely understood the brief here. 


    A song that takes you back doesn't strictly speaking have to be one of quality: just one that conjures up the redolent stink of reminiscence. And, judging by Liz's accompanying words, Manic 2K was chosen on account of its strong time-and-place evoking qualities, not because of any aspiration on her part of the actual quality of the music - which is just as well: because I think this is a truly terrible song.


    It brings me back alright, that's for sure. It brings me back to the distant days, as a fearful young first year on the bus, to and from school, sitting right up at the front with my peers, hoping one of the stubbled full grown oafs from the post-Junior Cert years wouldn't emerge from the raging hormonal fog down at the back of the vehicle to capriciously and violently decide to do something needlessly cruel to one of us, on a whim - like put one of our tiny heads through the window of the bus, for a laugh, at any moment. This song is the soundtrack of that fear. It never seemed to be off the fcking radio. The ever present soundtrack to anguish.


    And just to clear it up, it isn't just that I hate the song on account of the deep psychological and sometimes physical trauma of those times, that its inextricably linked with in my mind - I do think it is an objectively bad piece of music.

    It boggles my brain that this was the biggest thing ever in Ireland for a disturbingly long time. The song itself is so laughably basic, but, not in a genius of simplicity kind of way, just in the sense of a desert of imagination. Mark McCabe's clipped, almost faux British voice that he puts on always has and will annoy me. And has anyone ever been bothered by the fact that it sounds - like precisely, in terms of the audio quality - fcking terrible?


    The actual tune, as terrible as it is, which is, supposedly the reason your ears are there to listen in the first place, is mixed so low in the audio soup and provides zero impact. Which doubles the displeasure of hearing Mark McCabe's witless scutterings pushed to the max  - RIGHT HERE ON THE DUBLIN DANCE FLOORAHH -  and reverberating in your ear canal throughout the whole awful thing. 


    I don't know, even as a young fella it always left me completely cold and the crowd noises don't add anything to the excitement level of the track either - it all sounds disconnected, like all the three main parts: Mark McCabe shouting his head off, the actual tune Maniac and the incidental crowd noise are all totally independent and not interested in each other: a complete mess.  It's an abomination of a track to be honest.

    I realise that I could go on forever hating this song, but, look, tldr: I just really think it's crap. I'm sorry Liz.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Wait - what?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus



    In First Place with Fourteen Points is cdeb with Saturday Night by Whigfield


    Do not refresh your browser cdeb - yes, first place.


    No-one is more surprised than me. I did not expect to be ranking this top of the pile when I initially locked myself away and started poring over this selection of songs.


    But, the more I listened - and I mean really listened - the scales gradually began to fall from my... ears.


    This tune is brilliant, it really is. There's reasons why, thirty years later, it'll get everybody - young or old - moving. Musically everything works so well and nothing is overly complicated or fussy: the bass line is unimpeachable in its catchiness, the keyboard and synth lines give the groove an extra dimension and come in at just the right point in the song and compliment each other perfectly, and the underlying beat is insistent and powerful, but without being harsh or scary. And every vocal line is melodically so memorable. When all of it is put together and it's going strong: man, that is a groove I could stay listening to for a very long time. I was amazed at how fresh this still sounded and equally amazed at how much I grew to love it. 


    And I was also thinking about how the song is just a beautiful thing really. It's about one of the most basic wants there is: wanting to enjoy yourself, to dance to the music, to party, to the promise of a weekend. Jesus, there's something almost sacred about that when you think about it: why do we all want to go out there and listen to music and dance in the first place - there's an innocence, a genuine grace to that and this song is one of the purest examples I can think of a piece of pop music that exists just to serve that: to get you moving and enjoying yourself. 


    And that is all good enough for first place for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,618 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    I hated maniac 2000 for all the same reasons you listed Arghus…. but I love it now. And not that it's some mind blowingly brilliant song. It isnt. But its a real let yourself loose and sing-a-long kind of song. If that was out when you were in first year, then you've not quite hit 40 yet. When you do, it may hit differently :)

    Great first category reveal. Really looking forward to the rest



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,893 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    I'd be another one that can't get the love for Maniac. This and that O-zone song, I'm very intrigued on how they became such big hits here.

    Great first category, good variety of songs. Very nice to see Let's Stick Together scoring well. One of the best Roxy Music songs, and a big highlight in Bryan Ferry's concerts.

    2025 gigs: Selofan, Alison Moyet, Wardruna, Gavin Friday, Orla Gartland, The Courettes, Nine Inch Nails, Rhiannon Giddens, New Purple Celebration, Nova Twins



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Let's Stick Together brought back so many memories for me too. And Bryan Ferry just oozes suaveness.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,782 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    I don’t mind second last. The memory the song evokes is a win as for me 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,144 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    It's the variety of people's choices that make it interesting.

    Category Two is a bit tougher because I can tell there's a lot of love for the songs that people have chosen - and there's a few eight minute plus epics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,015 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Maniac ain't ever winning a Grammy or Ivor Novello but damn it makes me smile when I hear it, I appreciate it can be like marmite, I love Whigfield too, I think I still remember the dance

    A great enjoyable first round



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭SineadSpears


    Unfortunately, I'm far too bored of Saturday Night. Even though I know it's a good song, I'd turn it off ever it came on the radio.

    There's something comforting about being around someone who understands your need for silence & space. You don't have to fill the air with words or explanations, they just get it..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭SineadSpears


    (Maniac)

    It may be an Irish thing & purely down to nostalgia depending on the age you were when it came out.

    There was a local underage disco we went too at that time & I think that song came on at least four times a night 😆. It was requested over & over.

    There was also a dance to it too, lol.

    I don't know if we enjoyed the song, or the dance more.

    Cringe, but fun memories

    There's something comforting about being around someone who understands your need for silence & space. You don't have to fill the air with words or explanations, they just get it..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Here are my musings!

    1. Let's Stick Together was a solo effort by Bryan Ferry - not a Roxy Music song. No doubt, it has been included in Roxy Music concerts. It was a cover version of Let's Work Together by Canned Heat.
    2. The Voyage by Christy Moore was written by Johnny Duhan, who tragically died in a drowning accident this year. I suspect that a lot of people mistakenly think it was written by Christy. To be fair to him, he always acknowledges the song writers when he performs live. It was one of those songs that I like if I am in the right mood to listen to it.
    3. The original version of Maniac was by Michael Sembello and is streets ahead of Maniac 2000 by Mark McCabe. Mark McCabe's version was basically a cover of a version put out by Irish band Foreplay, neither of which contained the original verses.
    4. I would not have put Whigfield's Saturday Night anywhere in the vicinity of the top of the pile! The song is catchy in an annoying way and that duck-like sound further adds to the irritations!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,015 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭SineadSpears


    Just had a quick look online now and it appears there was no official dance to the song, which I never realised 🫣.

    It must have been unique to our teenybopper disco 🤣😏

    …Think rows of pre teen/teenage wannabes doing what I can only describe as - something similar to line dancing, but much faster! And it wasn't always easy to keep up. That took skills 😜

    I genuinely thought we were so cool doing that dance 😂😂😂 😳

    There's something comforting about being around someone who understands your need for silence & space. You don't have to fill the air with words or explanations, they just get it..



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭SineadSpears


    I was an innocent little princess thinking I was one day gonna rule the world with those dance moves! I was good at it too. Very proud of myself I am 🤣🤣

    There's something comforting about being around someone who understands your need for silence & space. You don't have to fill the air with words or explanations, they just get it..



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