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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 875 ✭✭✭creeper1


    I agree with a previous poster that this is all planned and baked into the bake. Ireland will be transformed and it's a fait accompli.

    On the radio ran a story in the summer about the improvement of Ireland's railway network. Apparently there will be a railway line connecting letterKenny to Derry.

    It was necessary because Ireland s population was going up to 6 million in the republic alone by 2050.

    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/ireland-population-6-million-2050

    Shortly later there was a story about how Irelands fertility rate being below replacement levels. Indeed it's now 1.5 and the average woman not becoming a mother until 33 years old.

    Hmmm. You don't have to be Einstein to see where the extra million are coming from.

    They are going to keep importing the third world to enrich a tiny percentage of elite well connected hotel owners and driving down the wages of the working class supported by the left bleating about obligations and no vetos

    I suppose they will say it is good for house prices as well

    I'll bet when Ireland population does get above 8 million they'll say "Ireland population has finally recovered from the famine" despite the fact a full third won't even be Irish.

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-vs/vitalstatisticsfirstquarter2024/#:~:text=In%20Q1%202024%20the%20Total,the%20replacement%20level%20of%202.1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    The policy makers need to study our history. In pre-famine Ireland a lot of people were living in absolute squalor. Large families crammed into mud huts in some cases.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod: A reminder of the warning in the OP:

    However - this thread is about Ireland's refugee policy - it is not about ALL immigration and conflating the two is not fair to posters trying to discuss the topic in good faith. If you want to discuss the topic of the thread then please continue in a civil manner with this in mind. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Maybe thats the way they want it. Back to feudalism. Back to serfdom with ya for a bowl of cold porridge and some fishheads "Yes me Lord" Beggan yer pardon me Lord.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    It's very clear where the majority of Ipas are located despite how some try to spin it 😏

    Tbf to owners of refugee accommodation being leased to the state, they're not so different to investors who lease blocks of apartments to the state for social housing. They see it as a business opportunity and if they are coining it, it's because state contracts are extremely generous. The system clearly needs a major overhaul and stricter controls, because the billions of taxes being used to finance all the various refugee programmes is eyewatering.

    It seems the department responsible is free to spend tax monies with no cap, take in unlimited people with no cap, ignore planning laws, ignore the concerns of local residents and representatives, damaging tourism and the associated jobs, in effect, just make it up on the hoof and to hell with the citizens who pay for it. That department needs some realistic accountants to reign in and control the numbers and crazy expenditure - something like the troika had to do to fix the outcomes of the tiger years madness. Caps on numbers, budgets, and on spending, ie, have control. That might be a good first step.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Where do you feel the majority of Ipas are located?

    Its been pointed out that there are plenty in expensive ares of Dublin. Including Ballsbridge, Rathmines, Blackrock and Donnybrook.

    Part of the tented encampment that was there for months and months on the Grand Canal was in Ballsbridge.

    It is absolutely not true to say the wealthier parts of the city do not accommodate asylum seekers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Irelands population will be 6 million well before 2050. Not sure where they got that 2050 estimate from.

    At current population growth rates we will hit 6 million in 2030/31.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,358 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Are you including all of those entering legally on work visas as being from the 'third world'? That would be the vast bulk of non-EU immigration to Ireland : non-Ukrainian refugees and asylum seekers would be a much smaller number.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The majority of people arriving are not asylum seekers. Immigration into Ireland was 150k in the 12 months to April 2024.

    Only around 20k are asylum seekers. Ukrainians not counted in the 20k, but the numbers of Ukranians arriving now is obviously much smaller than at the start of the war.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 7,046 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Mod note:

    Good evening everyone.

    I have deleted the last 3 posts. A kind reminder of the mod note in the OP about not posting anecdotes.

    Thank you.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭mullinr2


    Do posters here, even the pro immigration posters, think we should change our school practices to appease a certain religious group?



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 7,046 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    As a neutral, I wouldn't consider a carte blanche anyway. There definitely needs to be some compromise in relation to religion, meaning their religion might not allow them certain activities. But how much compromise should be allowed might be difficult to quantify.

    Would that be something that each school has the freedom to decide? Or do they need to follow rules from the Department of Education etc?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭sekiro


    Even in a feudal system the peasantry would still perform work on farms or as other laborers.

    What we are seeing here is just rich people using refugees as a mechanism for gaining access to taxpayer money.

    So you've got a company set up somewhere to provide let's say one thousand tents in a field out in the middle of nowhere. Get a bunch of single men zipped up in those tents, pretty basic food 3 times a day, a few cleaners and security guards, maybe stretch it to 2 to 4 dudes per tent. They can take a nice chunk from the public funds to pay for all this and, of course, a nice wedge for themselves too.

    What are the prospects for those blokes in the tents exactly? It's not like we are realistically going to be building enough homes for all of them any time soon. We don't seem to be creating any job opportunities that match their skillsets. Maybe they can get an upgrade to a hotel room but that's still going to leave them sitting in a hotel room all day. Why would they even want to work when the future is a free home and pocket money from the taxpayer anyway?

    Even for our own people who are perpetually on benefits the motivation to get a job really just comes down to whether or not someone has enough sense of self-worth to get themselves employment and maybe even a happier future. Most seem quite happy with the free home, daily booze and cigs and some ultra processed junk food at mealtimes. Not sure it's going to be that much different for the massive amounts of refugees we are brining in and plan to bring in going forward.

    The most logical conclusion is that these refugees are just being used as a way for certain interests to take an even bigger portion of the taxpayer money by inflating the number of people who are completely dependent on the state.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    SBP front page reporting tomorrow that the State is considering buying the Citywest hotel for €100m to “tackle the migrant crisis”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Nah they're altruistic beyond our small mined comprehension. Of course. Iv been saying that for ages. The one thing about the really greedy and rich. They live in their own insulated bubble. They dont care either way. Why they're given so much power and influence is beyond me.

    They dont represent the majority so why pay heed to they're bs.

    People that have millions trying to make millions more is a mental condition in my mind. No matter the cost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,682 ✭✭✭✭Headshot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    It’s difficult to put into words just how insane this is and how sickening and heartbreaking. No actual plan, just keep buying up every available hotel and stuff them in there. Hotel owners laughing all the way to the bank



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    here is the link from twitter regarding potential purchase of Citywest:

    https://x.com/search?q=citywest%20sunday%20business%20post&src=typed_query



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,624 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Post edited by nullzero on

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,682 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    No deterrents, just keeping spending more and more money on these illegals.

    Wouldn't it be nice to actually spend this money on the record number of homeless Irish?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,137 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Isn't Citywest already leased until next year for refugees?

    Anyhow it's a disgrace seeing our tourism industry being decimated as more and more rooms get taken out of circulation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    FG manifesto was to stop renting space and to procure. If those who are currently renting to the government get an outrageiously generous offer then they will just as happily sell to the government and then probably go in to the business of outsourcing support on site at the sites they previously operated with government paying them through the nose for the security, food, cleaners, etc…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,560 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    What, you mean like this?

    https://teachdontpreach.ie/2019/06/castleknock-et/#:~:text=As%20of%20Friday%207th%20June,of%20Accord%20for%20several%20years.


    They’re not our schools in the first place, they’re owned, controlled and managed by the various patron bodies of the schools. Can only speak for myself but I’m not interested in telling other patron bodies how to run their schools, if they wish to change their school practices to appease any particular group, religious or otherwise, crack on, no skin off my nose whatsoever.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    define “pro immigration” please.

    I think all religions should be removed from schools. Bur if they aren't, all religions should be accommodated

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 875 ✭✭✭creeper1


    The use of hotels was sold as a temporary solution to an "emergency situation".

    Now they are going out and buying hotels.

    They do nothing except lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 875 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Yeah. I would count a lot (not all) of legal migrants as coming from third world countries.

    As an example nurses from Africa and the Philippines are coming in to fill positions so the government can avoid paying a living wage to Irish nurses



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It really is an insane situation that thousands of Irish nurses are working in the Australian, Canadian, British etc.. health services.

    Presumably, a significant % of them would rather be at home if the right conditions and remuneration were in place. There’s also the morality aspect of it. Stripping developing nations of their healthcare professionals.

    Mod Edit: Warned for yet more anecdotal posting

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Yes, but remember that it is only the "Far Right" that lies and spreads misinformation, disinformation, and obfuscation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Just typical Irish Gombeenomics. Feather the nests of the connected at the expense of the taxpayer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 875 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Why couldn't they use that money to buy accommodation in the neighboring countries these people are coming from?

    With 100 million euros you could buy 20 hotels and house 20 times the number in Benin the safe neighboring country to Nigeria. (If you accept the idea Nigeria isn't safe - I don't)

    Similarly Turkish hotels to provide safety for Syrians.

    This is all a scam to enrich the well connected



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