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Calf to beef thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭limo_100


    any of you lads buying bb heifer calves today. some price just for a bit of colour

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Those the ones in Carrigallen. That man always gets good prices for his red &white BBxMO calves. To be fair he breeds good stock



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭limo_100


    yeah that is carriagallen. Great stock in fairness but still I think them prices are way over the top. But I wouldn’t complain if I was getting it all the same. I seen some weanlings not make that money and them same lads would have made 500 plus as calves. Makes ya think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,524 ✭✭✭Sami23


    What difference do you find between the bull beef nuts and weakling nuts that you use them on the difference groups?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    The red clover silage we feed is very high in protein (around 20%) so the bull finishing nut with higher energy an less protein balances it better



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,524 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Which pour-on do ye find best for lice as want to do mine in next week or so:

    Butox

    Spotinor

    Spot On

    or something else ?

    Have used hydrated lime and sheep dip in the past myself also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭jfh


    I clipped their backs and used spot on recently, seems to have worked, there's a few that will require another application



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Was at a meeting with a beef nutritionalist on Tuesday there.She pointed out the massive difference in quality of nuts and rations at the moment and what to look for Here is an example of two 16% weanling nuts I am being offered locally,one looks good the other isn't fit for purpose

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    This a weanling nut from a well known dairy Co.op in leinster.Its costing €365 in bulk collected,first 5 ingredients are ideal

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    This is a 16% nut from a well know offaly based mill.Its costing €320 per ton bulk collected. But has an awful lot of the poorer quality protein sources in the first 5 ingredients



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Is the issue with the Wheatfeed and Malt Culms in the second ration.

    Found this before from the UK version of Teagasc and the blend calculator has a throve of info on it

    Livestock feed blend calculator | AHDB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Soya is the best protein source followed by maize distillers.Wheat gluten as the 3rd ingredient and soya as the 8th would leave me reckoning the availability of the labled 16% protein wouldn't be as good as a nut with soya in the first couple ingredients



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,184 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I'm not too sure the first one is that great. Soya bean meal is about 48%P. It will always be 5th ingredient in the list. First ration has beet pulp and Soya hulls in the 2nd and 3rd Ingredients. Neither are critical this time of year both are fiber sources. The second has a lower fiber

    JusJust because you throw 1-2% more Soya in a ration will not make it worth 40/ton more

    I would want to physically see both rations. I would like to see how good the barley in both rations are. I would also like to see serious amounts of Barley in the first one to balance the maize in the second.

    If I was feeding at grass in the autumn I might tend towards the first if not throwing a bit of hay or straw to them. I go for the second if they were in a shed. Silage will give them all the fiber they need.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭White Clover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    I think the second one lacks a quality protein source to grow frame on young stock..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,184 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    there is much more than Protein to a ration. The first one may have SBM its got hulls and sugar beet pulp 2nd and third. The ash content of the ration is extremely high at over 7%. That is basically indigestable material. When feeding a ration with silage I be disinclined to feed a fibre sourced. It's energy source is Barley which is often very variable. I still be inclined towards the second ration

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭limo_100


    I don’t have a picture of the label but I will get one next week. But this is the feed I am currently feeding to my weanlings. It is barley, maize , wheat meal I think are some of the cereals in it I would need to check to confirm. It also has a very high mineral pack. It’s 360 a tonne in bulk bags.


    A 16% Crude Protein high cereal nut (>45%). Includes Acid Buf to help prevent acidosis & laminitis

    Protein derived from soya bean meal, maize distillers & rapeseed meal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭limo_100


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    this is the label of the weanling crunch I feed to smaller calves find it very good. Seems to have a good mineral spec aslo. It’s a ration. It’s 10 a bag.

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    Also I’m feeding this weanling nut I find it great for putting it on weight. Also it seems to have a very high mineral spec. Get it in bulk for 360 a tonne.

    @Bass Reeves @weatherbyfoxer how would you rate these weanling feeds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    They both look OK,first one has urea treated barley as the main protein source the other has maize distillers.most of the undesirables seem well down the list..wouldn't be too concerned about mineral spec in meal or nuts especially to young stock as the mill who makes the feed will never include enough per ton to meet the manufacturers recommended feed rate as it would cost too much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Would they be both good protein source's both also contain soya meal meal aswell. I'm happy enough with it overall cattle seem to be performing well enough on it. Suckler weanlings where creep feed so suppose they would do well anyway. Do you add minerals to your weanlings? other years I have got them bucket minerals always abit in the way I found was to look into bagged minerals but was away for a few weeks so never got round to it. Do you use additional do you find it good?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Maize distillers would be next to soya,urea treated barley would be similar,the proteins from seed oil production like rapeseed,sunflower seed etc are much poorer quality,Soya bean meal is king of protein sources but really shines in milk production in cows or ewes.urea treated barley or soya are fine for main protein source in meal for growing stock..I don't real bother much with extra minerals when feeding cattle silage and meal inside to be honest, main deficiency here is copper during the summer which a copper injection seems to rectify,Seems to turn a brown angus coal black within a month of injection.I would be in a very high moly area so copper supplemention is very important



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭tractorporn


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    Some of the Autumn 23 born heifers I reared this year. These were out at grass from the 2nd week of February until the 1st week of December. On good silage and 2kg of meal/rolled Maize, haven't weighed them yet but gonna dose/weight/shave backs next week. Undecided whether to try and sell as maiden heifers or finish this batch out of the shed next winter.

    I have 40 calves on the feeder at the min most are on the weaning curve ATM so should be weaned before the new year and out during the day from the 1st week in Jan. Will rear 20 more in the spring and hoping to get in heifers to contract rear for someone if I go clear in the test.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭limo_100


    lovely stock. Would you ever consider puting a few of the blues in calf and selling them as springers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Yeah if I thought it would turn money easier than fattening them then I'd run an easy calving limo or Angus bull with them. There no Herbie's heifers now they might be a bit plain for that job? I was considering genotyping them though just to see where they are star wise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    As they’re off dairy dams they’ll be 4/5 star. They might make as much dry as incalf. Are the dams BFR or HOFR



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭limo_100


    they will all have stars. Seem bb dairy cross springers make 2k plus last year. Cattle are up since then could be 2200 plus know. Lads seem to lose all sense and reason when it comes to springers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Just had a look on ICBF and some have no HO and a couple have 8/9% HO so mostly FR dams. I was thinking of selling as maiden heifers as it would be a season less at grass to carry them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Didn't see those high of prices but if take it if I got it. My initial idea was to turn them over after having them for 18 months one rearing phase, one grazing and one housing. If I could turn €300 into over 1200 in that timeframe I'd be happy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭limo_100


    o forgot they where autumn 23 thought they where spring born. You would probably have to hold them for too long to get a bit return on them as lads tend to like to buy springers that bit stronger 30months seems to be the sweet spot. 2year old heifers lads seem to be not so keen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,184 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I am a believer in correct mineral supplementation during housing. It's very cheap. Paying less than 15/ 25kg bag for minerals at present. Giving it to 400kgs animals is less than 5c/ day.

    I can never get the fascination of lads when they see a heifer considering having her put incalf. It's a tough spell calisthenics game. I have a few high EBI dairy heifers. I was advised to breed them and sell them.as springers. Bought them.at 220kg average in September, they are probably 270/280 average now. Yes as springers they may make 1400 euro. But I could probably slaughter them at 280kgs DW this to.e next year. However I may carry to slaughter following May.

    I see an awful lot of springers sell for 1000 less than 1500 euro.

    You have to look at replacement costs not orginal cost. You ate luck you have them.replaced as calves already. Beef is a tough game. Finishing is the only game in town you just have to take the swings and roundabouts in it. They could probably be finished off grass in the autumn 270 DW@5.2 is 1400 euro. Finishing out of the shed this time next year 300kgs DW @6/ kg 1800 euro.

    If I was selling I be offloading in March not sure I woukd graze them.all summer long.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭limo_100


    what powder mineral do you use if you don’t mind me asking and where do you get it? Bar pre calving minerals I can’t get anything that’s not in a lick bucket.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,184 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    LIffy Mills and Dairygold do them. I think Magenta direct do them but you need to take half a ton in 25kg bags. It's Liffy Mills thelast while they are the cheapest by a bit.

    I think it's a general purpose beef mineral I get. Sometimes it a beef/ weanling mineral.

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    Slava Ukrainii



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