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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,926 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Bloody hell Medvedev; you need a better hobby than this buddy. No-one gives a damn about you declaring your Z credentials for the umpteenth time, and Vlad isn’t going to play Presidential Musical Chairs with you any more (he doesn’t have to after the “amendment”).

    In most states ex-Presidents usually get to retire from politics with a degree of dignity intact….oh well…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭macraignil


    putin has been attacking Ukraine indiscriminately for years so there is no clear evidence that any particular strikes are a response to anything the armed forces of Ukraine have done to defend their country. Do you have such evidence or are you just regurgitating pro kremlin h***es**te again?

    Post edited by macraignil on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Oh yeah it’s Ukraines fault right?


    Am I doing this right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,926 ✭✭✭Rawr


    As I try to signal on the Trump-related threads, Donnie doesn’t have a “strategy”, and it’s debatable if he actually possesses much in the way of “thinking”.

    What he’s going to do (if anything at all), is whatever he’s convinced will make him look good or earn him the most. He has no political manifesto, and no real political alignment to anyone beyond himself. This is both potentially useless in terms of European security but also in terms of his potential use to Putin. Putin offered clout and cash before, and these days the guy is seriously running out of both.

    I can see a situation where the US might stop helping Ukraine, but won’t do much to help Russia either. Western European support would have to step up, but it may be enough to help the Ukrainians out last the Russians and eventually turn the tide on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,431 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Utter bollox about that being a "response". If Russia could launch a few 100 (or more) missiles and drones at Ukraine's cities every single day they would, we all know it…

    They don't have the industrial/military capacity themselves to do that and haven't been able to convince the "friends of Russia" i.e. China, Iran, NK etc. to support them enough to make it possible.

    [As you posted] Trump has recently criticised strikes into Russia with US/Western weapons and said they risk escalating the war, putting the US in danger + are a "crazy" policy.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-criticizes-ukraines-use-us-missiles-attacks-deep-into-russia-2024-12-12/

    "It's crazy what's taking place. It's crazy. I disagree very vehemently with sending missiles hundreds of miles into Russia. Why are we doing that? We're just escalating this war and making it worse. That should not have been allowed to be done," Trump said in an interview to mark his being named Time's Person of the Year.

    Basically, for all that he projects some MAGA "strongman" image he is deathly scared of Putin and of Russia (no shock there).

    Much easier and safer to launch inventive at and threaten leaders of Canada and Mexico and other democratic US allies than dare to arm Ukraine and let them strike Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,842 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Love it when the oil fires expand

    More of this please

    Less for the Russians to sell, use,

    One more cut to add to keep bleeding the Russians outs.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭yagan


    Arent Ukraine producing their own long range missiles? Ukraine and EU partners are planning for Trump theatrics. Contingencies started during his first term are now becoming policy to insure against him.

    Trump liked Putin's strongman projection, he'd been doing Make Russia Great Again before Trump entered the race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 996 ✭✭✭Ozark707


    Changes in Ukraines military leadership as Russia advance further in the Donetsk region

    https://archive.ph/dehz2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,842 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Sad news

    Ukrainians need all the pilots they can get

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,150 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Apparently the missiles have passed testing and should be entering production soon. I'm not sure of the exact ranges (naturally a little bit of propaganda surrounding this).

    On a side note these are vital, not just because of the damage they can do, but also the psychological effect they have on Putin's regime.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,431 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    They are, but more is better and production inside Ukraine is subject to attack by Russia on their infrastructure. We also don't know how much Trump and his gang of idiots might f-ck around with that too, and obstruct European aid to Ukraine into the bargain.

    Also I had hoped (if Democrats won) the US might finally decide to start supplying Ukraine with significant numbers of missiles.

    It hadn't happened after almost 3 years of war and a drip feeding policy, but was hoping for the best (!), and that hope is gone with Trump I fear.

    Yes, that is it (on Trump). He is definitely attracted by and admires the dictators and autocrats like Putin, Erdogan, Xi, Kim Jong Un, possibly Netanyahu as well, and wants to emulate them and be seen as on some kind of level with them (a cut above your run of the mill milquetoast ruler of a democracy, who just serves the people for a term or 2 and departs).

    I think he may be quite afraid of and intimidated by them too. I suspect he's just not quite as vicious and nasty as they are (well not yet anyway - lets see what he can become over next few years getting high on power) and knows they have him beaten for ruthlessness. Putin's "sabre rattling" clearly unnerves him anyway, going by those quotes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,453 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Manpower and equipment is wasted on the small shrinking salient in Kursk when the proverbial back door has been smashed in. It makes no logical sense not to shore up the Donetsk front which is the most vulnerable to complete collapse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭yagan


    I don't think Putin rattled Trump, as Trump truly believes murica is the greatest country in world and the world needs to remember that.

    He doesn't understand why Ukraine can't just obey their regional master. Trump called Trudeau the Governor of that great state of Canada as if it were a US state. To Trump that's just sense, even though his last term led to CETA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Back to the facts on the battlefield.

    Quite a stir yesterday with the closing of the cauldron that happened south of Kurakhove

    cauldron.jpg

    As was pointed out by another poster some time ago, the troops in the area were requesting permission to retreat but no order was given. The same happened this week as the request was denied as the cauldron was about to close but many just fled their positions and saved themselves.

    Probably the reason the commander was relieved of his duties was the damning interview by a Ukrainian editor of a media group yesterday. He stated that the " we have two realities happening those from the official spokesman and what is happening at the front. Losses in this direction are very serious, we cannot defend such disadvantageous positions if the enemy has superior numbers and ammunition and have been critical for about a month"

    The interview is on X and the journalists name is Butosov and lasts about 5 minutes.

    Certainly seems to be a lack of communication on what is the reality on the ground and what is being portrayed by the authorities.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭macraignil


    putin's terrorist state aircraft decommissioned by sabotage. How he can hope to defend his empire with so many sent to die in Ukraine is something I don't think he has worked out yet.

    https://english.nv.ua/nation/railroad-wrath-rages-on-russian-su-30-fighter-jet-three-locomotives-destroyed-in-krasnodar-krai-50474252.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭zv2


    A long read on Russia's hybrid war -

    Europe, Open Your Eyes if You Don’t Want War

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Important to note the economic costs of losing land in the Donbass. That coking plant is essential to the steel industry because most of the steel plants furnaces are the old soviet coking ones. Probably very difficult to import from Australia and china given the situation and hard to see the worlds third largest exporter selling any.

    Looks like Schevchenko near Pokrovsk is about to fall very soon which is said to be the location of Europe's largest site for Lithium.

    shev.jpg

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,431 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Back to the facts (lol!), indeed @brickster69, bit of accidental honesty (and drool on your chin) discussing Ukrainian resources + prospect of your greedy masters thieving them. Not edifying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,970 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I've no dog in the Russia-Ukraine war however some people's desire for an echo chamber is funny.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,842 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Love it when incompetence meets arrogance

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,092 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Impossible. We were assured on this thread that the mere idea that North Korean troops were in the warzone was an invention of decadent Western media.

    Can it be... Russian propaganda on this matter was false?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Facts are good fly-garlic because no one can question them. A war of attrition is won by the side that has the most men willing to fight, most resources and biggest industrial production.

    With Russia the saying has always been " they take time to harness a horse but ride fast when they ride "

    munitions.png

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Just because a few NAFO twitter accounts report news on North Koreans in Kursk does not make it true you know. Have you not learnt that lesson by now ?

    What needs to be determined is proof or facts before we can decide what is true or not.

    The two countries that come up with these claims are South Korea and Ukraine. One of them today just got impeached for applying martial law in his country and implied North Korea was trying to overthrow his country.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭zv2


    Lavrov said it was a lie. Good old Lav, you can always count on him for a laugh.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,092 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Who do you expect to reveal the information exactly in the midst of a warzone other than Ukraine? Its not a court case, there is no independent investigator that can go in with unfettered access.

    Remember the outright lies from Russia about their little green men shooting down a civilian airliner... meanwhile we had posters repeating their every lie and evasion without scrutiny. Exploiting the fog of war.

    You wont get proof or facts from Russia or North Korea thats for sure. Russia being a gangster fascist state who lies about every aspect of this illegal war of atrocity and plunder they are waging... down to rape, execution of civilians, abduction of children.

    Have you "not learnt the lesson by now"? (your words not mine)

    There is abundant information pointing to the plausible presence of N Korean troops in the warzone.

    US intelligence was correct about Russia invading despite the denials of Russia and contemptuous posts here repeating their lies.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c14le0p4310o

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    The vehement denials of their useful idiots is proof enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,092 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Selective and overly simplistic use of selective facts out of context can be put together to present a false picture.

    Russia are experts at this.

    It is not just a conflict between Ukraine and Russia at the resource level.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭brickster69


    How could you distinguish a North Korean in a Russian uniform from a far eastern Russian in a Russian uniform.

    As far as i know the only viable image that has been made public is the American soldier of fortune who was being held in captitivity and everyone has seen that one.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭Deub


    Facts are good fly-garlic because no one can question them. A war of attrition is won by the side that has the most men willing to fight, most resources and biggest industrial production.

    This paragraph is gold. Talking about facts and having the definition of war of attrition wrong in the next sentence. Having the most men or resources is an advantage but that is not a war of attrition is won.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    What echo chamber? There's plenty on the pro-ruzzian side here who are more than happy to parrot orc propaganda and talking points.



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