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Seanad General Election 2025 - University Panels

  • 09-12-2024 05:01PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭


    This will be the final general election where we have the two siloed off panels for the NUI and Trinity graduates. Both will elect 3 senators each (next time there will be a single 6 member panel for all third level degree holders).

    • Nominations closed last Friday
    • Ballots go out at the end of December
    • Polls close on Jan 29th

    Nominees are as follows:

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    I don't actually recognise any of the people on the NUI list apart from the 3 incumbents so I reckon they'll get reelected. It might be Ronan Mullen's final time too. He gets elected on the strength of a strong vote from Maynooth. That will be diluted in future elections.

    The interesting race will be for the open seat (due to David Norris retiring) on the TCD panel. The 2 incumbents (Lynn Ruane and Tom Clonan) will probably get reelected so there'll be a right battle on for that final seat. Lots of familiar names on that list including many who went for the by-election for Ivana Bacik's seat. I fancy Ossian Smyth for the seat as I think the TCD electorate may be more Green friendly and want to provide a counter-balance to the whacking that the great unwashed gave to that party in the recent Dail election. He's also not as divisive as Hazel Chu. Special shout out to Katerine Zappone for selflessly putting her name forward for another cushy government job. In a panel full of people with very high opinions of themselves she is in a league of her own.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,309 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I'd love to see Mullen & McDowell get kicked to the kerb, but this undemocratic panel will return them again. And then I'll finally have an opportunity to vote for the Seanad next time around (I'm a graduate from an IT).

    These should still be opened up wider.

    What's the size of the electorate like here versus what the potential could be? I don't know anybody who has bothered to register as NUI grads…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    In 2020 the electorates for the 2 panels were:

    NUI: 112,206. Turnout was 34.1%

    TCD: ~65,000. Turnout was 23.1%

    I am not sure if those electorates comprise only of graduates who have registered. I'm eligible via a post-grad I did in an NUI university and assumed that I'd be registered automatically. That wasn't the case, as I realised in 2016 when I didn't have a vote. I went and registered after that and voted for the first time in 2020. Once you're on the register you get posted stuff from most of the candidates running up to the election and you also vote by postal ballot as well.

    When they open this franchise up to all degree holders then the potential electorate will be somewhere around 1.5-2 million I reckon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Open to correction but I think they are opening it to all graduates of Universities (of which the former IT's are now Technical Universities), not just degree holders.

    That would include people with a Level 6 (certificate) and Level 7. Trades might also be considered but I am unsure of this

    Be interesting to see what happens when the electorate is more balanced



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭pureza


    As a counterpoint,I am a UCD graduate and was registered for the Seanad elections automatically and have voted in 6 or 7 of them 😩

    Your post box is inundated with election literature in the weeks beforehand and your vote comes by registered post which you also send off in a pre paid registered post envelope



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,207 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Got a letter yesterday from Aubrey McCarthy. Not one of the leaflets all candidates send out subsidised by the taxpayer, but a proper letter, in an A5 window envelope, and a nice glossy A4 leaflet too. Must be costing him/his supporters a fair whack.

    Never heard of him before but his schtick is that he set up a charity which makes him the last sort of person I'd vote for.

    It might be Ronan Mullen's final time too. He gets elected on the strength of a strong vote from Maynooth.

    We can but hope. The priest vote is going to be diluted by about eight times, at least in theory

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,309 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Unless I'm mistaken the literature that is subsidised only covers the postage, the candidates still need to print their own stuff themselves.

    What's wrong with setting up a charity btw?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,751 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The NUI panel is particularly awful this time. If you want to avoid Mullen and Mullen-alikes you need to tread incredibly carefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Strange that there aren't a few high profile failed Dail candidates on the NUI list as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,751 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Well, I consider McDowell to be a high profile failed Dáil candidate, but he took some time off before trying the NUI panel (and got in)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭csirl


    I think they should have retained the constituencies - added extra ones for the other universities. Dont like the idea of one constituency of 6. Likely end up like the rest of the Seanad i.e. members of mainstream parties.

    The Trinity constituency has returned a great variety parlimentarians of various parts of the political spectrum over the years - mainly independents - shame this is the last time for it.

    NUI one has always been uninspiring e.g. Mullen etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,751 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The constitution limits the university Senators to 6. The amendment to allow changing it from 3 NUI, 3 Trinity only allows to take them away from the existing 6.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,207 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    This isn't really the thread to get into the incredible cluster-f**k the Irish charity industry is

    The subsidised/free(?) literature is an A4 sheet folded into three, name and address printed on outside, no envelope

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,207 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Don't recognise any of those names, who are the Mullen-alikes? (not that my vote is with NUI, just curious how they could possibly think there's more than one quota there for them)

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    Just had a look at his website: https://www.aubreymccarthy.com/

    It reveals that he's one of the most modest and unassuming Seanad candidates that I have ever encountered!

    Sadly, as a NUI graduate, I won't be able to help this man in his noble mission to nobble the insufferable Mrs. Patrick Costello, but I wish him the very best of luck!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Just looks like a bunch of people who couldn't get a Dail seat, Chu, Zappone Smyth O'Neill. Just a load of people desperately trying to get on the gravy train



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,875 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    One person, one vote…

    We should not have only a small subset of the population voting in Seanad elections.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,207 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    If every thicko gets one vote, surely I deserve more than one 😁

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,647 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Strange to see Zappone popping back up again, after being off the radar for three years, seems very unlikely that she'd get over the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,022 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    We cant have the mucksavages that didnt go to Trinners voting in our election..

    Fùck off knobs...

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,875 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    You'll get to pick your position against the wall, comrade. That will be your only privilege.

    Not your ornery onager



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭Doc07


    He called to my door last night. He had my house on a list of Trinity voters (I bought it from a retired Trinity Prof) He seemed like a nice chap but I had to break the news we were an NUI house now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭Doc07


    yes I’d be amazed if she was competitive in this , not due to her politics but more so she has no Trinity ‘presence or history’ that many would be familiar with , compared to Bacik for example in the past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,751 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I'd never heard of door to door canvassing for a Seanad election before (well, Independent candidates for the main panels absolutely do go visit Councillors - but not on a University panel). Makes sense though, if you notice a clump in an area it'd be quick enough to drop by everyone on the register.

    I've seen some - very little - postering in areas with high % of graduates; and even seen Ronán Mullen in Maynooth flyering years and years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,309 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    The failed Dáil candidates end up going for the panels instead sure. Well the party ones do anyway…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,751 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Trinity panel has one Labour and two Green, one of which is an ex TD



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,207 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Jesus. Really don't want to get callers to the door over this 😶

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭Doc07


    which means they already knew/expected /were told they weren’t getting put on via the other panels or Taoiseach picks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,800 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    even stranger perhaps for her to be a candidate on a panel for a university from which she does not hold a degree although I guess she taught there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,800 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Linda O’Shea Farren has handeluvwred literature for the local and Dial elections personally already. No canvassing but I have gone out to give it back to her (twice) with a reminder that no junk mail applies to her also!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,751 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    No politician, ever, considers No Junk Mail to apply to them. They won't stop so unless going out makes you feel good, it's probably a waste of time.

    I've heard of people spending their own money to post stuff back with notes about the signs though, so this isn't even vaguely excessive



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