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Waterford Airport.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    il

    They're just looking at how long it takes to get anywhere from Dublin. That's the reality and the task for IDA and politicians, to get them to move around the country. Senior political input is hugely important, just remember the sweetheart deal Apple got to locate in Cork.

    One MNC director told me that his company would locate in Swords if left to their own devices. Proximity to Dublin airport was key.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭914


    At least he's honest, it's very easy to say I support the airport and do sweet f all about it, in fairness to him he personally doesn't see the need for it and spoke the truth for himself.

    Not that I agree with him, but the easiest thing in the world to do there is say "yes I support the airport"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭dzilla


    I admire his enthusiasm and vision to be fair but it seems pie in the sky in relation to a railway between Waterford and Cork via Dungarvan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭Valhalla90


    The line between Waterford and Limerick Junction is not utilized at all. It’s a failure due to the timetable and that’s all done deliberately. A line to Cork would be the same. Cannot see the benefit of a line like this along with the cost of buying land and actual physical construction. It will never happen. At least he was honest about the airport and in my opinion his unsuitability to fight for projects in Waterford. Airport will open the region up for investment and tourism, not a scenic railway line to Cork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,148 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    direct line to cork makes every bit of sense, as it would make some businesses more viable along its corridor, it would also help with reducing pressure in housing, also making building more viable along this corridor, potentially reducing the price of housing, on cheaper land, and away from our more built up areas, probably would be less building objections due to these facts to, but yes, this wont happen, so just embrace our current highly dysfunctional hyper inflated property markets, tis all good, nothing to see here!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭Valhalla90


    Maybe we should be focused on developing our city as a hub of employment instead of the idea of us being a commuter city to Cork because let’s face it they would absolutely love that. We would get even less that the crumbs we get currently and hey could justify it as well we are the regional city. Build Waterford up from within Waterford. We do not want to be a commuter town/city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,148 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …and again, this centralised hub approach is exactly what we ve been doing, and now we know its outcomes, particularly in relation to our housing markets, i.e. hyper inflated prices and highly dysfunctional, again, the idea of de-centralisation is to de-pressurise the whole thing, an attempt to slow the rate of inflation of our property markets, to encourage business growth in the region, along rail corridors. but again, dont worry, its not gonna happen, so the results are gonna remain the same, i.e. we re gonna maintain our highly dysfunctional hyper inflated property markets, extremely high levels of private car commuting, resulting in many young people to simply emigrate, i.e. tis all good!

    modern rail lines between our major towns and cities would begin to relieve the pressure of property within these towns and cities, and possible help to create cheaper property outside of these towns and cities, along these rail corridors, but again, its not gonna happen!

    theres already plenty of people commuting to and from waterford for employment, mostly by private fossil fueled cars, i know lads that commute from carlow, to wexford and beyond, and have been for years, ive even worked with some of them, converting these commutes to rail makes complete sense, but again, its not gonna happen, so lets stay the same, as thats gonna help resolve these issues!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭914


    Direct line between every city and large town makes perfect sense. But in reality it will never happen, all you have to do is look at the spiraling costs of most projects in Ireland, building a new railway network is on no one's cards.

    While it's a great idea it's simple not going to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,148 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yes we know this isnt gonna happen, cause we re gonna keep electing the same governments over and over, so many of our most serious problems such as housing are just gonna stay here, possible indefinitely, so happy days….

    our governments and states have become risk adverse, they also think ireland is still a poorer state of times past, hence defaulting to this type of thinking, which means we re screwed, but younger generations will be screwed much more and much more quicker to, the most likely outcome in the long run is a stagnant economy with serious social dysfunctions, as we age rapidly, so critical social functions such as providing health care to an aging population, become a serious problem, as we end up with not enough young people providing whats needed, so joy to the world!

    other, not as advanced economies have actually recently rapidly expanded their rail networks, at a fraction of the costs expected, by bringing in outside help and advice, mainly Chinese, so it is possible, but shur whats the point talking about it really!

    such developments could easily be done here, over many decades, but again, they wont be, so on to the same, with very little changing….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭dan575283578


    How long does the planning permission(granted feb 2022)last? is it 5 years for something like this?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭dan575283578


    Hard to believe its been almost a year now since the announcement that private funding ha dbeen secured



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,148 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    could all change in the next few weeks with new government



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭azimuth17




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭dan575283578


    They'll need to get that extended so, won't be done by feb 27.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Not if substantal work starts before the planning expiry date?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭914


    Hard to see that happening, if we are depending on government support.

    Can't see a government been formed till after Christmas, even if it is before Christmas, factor in the Christmas break, ministers being appointed, getting up to speed etc.

    Unless the investors start work themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,901 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    They can apply for a further 5 years if works have been delayed due to commercial or economic issues beyond the control of the applicant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭Muttley79


    €70 million for a 2.7km cycle lane in Dublin!!!

    This is just infuriating to see a waste of taxpayers money spent by the green party.

    Yet they put a regional airport in critical need of funding bottom of their list.

    The sooner these greens are gone the better.

    https://www.fm104.ie/news/fm104-news/e70m-clontarf-to-city-centre-cycle-path-officially-opens/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,148 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ffg actually control the purse strings as they have control over the finance department, such decisions must be agreed with all parties, so its not entirely the fault of the greens of such decisions, dont be surprised if such occurs in the next ffg government, even if the greens arent in it, ffg are masters of causing such with their government partners. if you think theres gonna be some changes with the next ffg government, you better think again!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭914


    The small guys always get the blame, PD's, Labour, Greens etc.

    Yet everyone seems to forgot they are always the smallest party to make up government. I'm not lover of the greens but removing them is not going to suddenly get the airport going.

    Both FF and FG have the majority and get away scot free



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭azimuth17




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,696 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Just over €70 million was spent on the 2.7 kilometre Clontarf to City Centre scheme, that included replacing old water mains and adding eight new community plazas.

    It's not just a cycle lane, but the online outraged don't really care for facts

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Its a cycle lane with some necessary ancillary work as add ons. Huge money as ever, in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,696 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    🙄🙄

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,901 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Matt Shanahan failing to get back in looks like a missed opportunity for Waterford - given how Government formation looks like it will unfold.

    An independent from the city could have negotiated a bag of goodies - including the airport funding - in return for supporting the government without a need for SDs or Labour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,696 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    They're not that desperate for one vote

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,901 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    I’m still to be convinced that the commercials stack up for the airport.


    But looking at it coldly, if funding for a bypass is on an indo shopping list that is being seriously considered, then funding the extend the runway sounds like it would be given similar consideration as a concession in exchange for indo support



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,696 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Which bypass and how much does it cost and is it already in the capital programme?

    Galway ring road will cost close on a billion if not more, no independent is getting that off his or her efforts.

    Others could be far less, and it helps if it was going to happen anyway and they can let the local gombeen TD claim a bit of credit, if that suits

    A bypass of a town like Tipperary will benefit far more people per annum than Waterford Airport ever will, and they all have votes (usually for Lowry 🙄)

    Any bypass that is not already designed and ready to submit for planning would have a hard job getting built during a five year Dail term.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,901 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    I don’t disagree with any of that. I’m on record here as being highly dubious of the merits of the business case.


    However, it’s just the cynical reality of Govt formation that committing 12-15m for the runway to secure an Indo for 5 years would have been seen as “cheap” by the two bigger parties.

    Either way - it’s a moot point with Shanahan kicked to the kerb by the electorate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭914


    It will be interesting as John Cummins publicly stated that FG will deliver the airport despite Marc saying "you can't say that, as the cost is over €12 million it has to go through a number of processes etc" and John kept saying we will deliver it.

    Anyone looking for that it's on the WLR FM interview pre election



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