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The End of Assad? Syrian Rebels enter the outskirts of Aleppo for the first time since 2016

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,867 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Remember any UN vote in favor of Israel is an absolute historic tragedy, while those that go against Israel are righteous and true, at worst they don't go far enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Unlike yourself and your hypocrites on the Left I have been consistent in my criticisms of:

    • Putin
    • Assad
    • Trump
    • Iranian mullahs
    • Hamas, Hezbollah
    • Netanyahu

    Authoritarian assholes exists on both the left and the right

    None of them give two **** about western Far Left wing bleeding hearts and use the Far Right to drive wedges

    Pro tip: the world is not black and white, there’s at least 50 shades of evil and and somehow they all exist in this dumpster fire of a region

    Earlier in thread we seen links showing Irish politicians cosying up and being best buddies with Assad, same lot on the far left also hilariously support those famous bastions of liberal democracy with Left wing values like Russia and China and Iran 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    That supposition doesn't change the reason why no neighbour country would allow Palestinians in, the crime and violence, revolution has been a constant threat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Sure you have. Which is why in another thread discussing Likud funding Islamists over the years you completely changed the subject to talk about Syria and used the numbers killed over 13 years in Syria to try and deflect from the numbers killed in Gaza over 13 months. The numbers of people killed does not determine how we should respond to events. With that absurd logic we can only criticise what the Nazi did, which is just ridiculous.

    Everything Assad did in Syria is being mirrored by what Israel is doing in Gaza.

    I agree there is enough hypocrisy to go around, none more so than right wing hypocrites who if not downplaying or in denials about the enablers of war crimes due to their own political ideology, play the look over there game when called out on their bs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I pointed out

    1. How the “keeping a lid on Islamic savages” rhetoric being spread by Palestine supporters is stupid
    2. How the left only cares about some bunch of people in Middle East but not others who suffered at 10x the numbers

    once again I have been consistent in my criticism, while the hypocrites on the Left are suspiciously quiet about all sorts of despicable characters when not busy shaking hands with em



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭yagan


    A quick google tells me all countries neighbouring what was formally just Palestine now have refugee camps for displaced Palestinians.

    I think the only axiom that's true is that all neighbouring states do not support the Israeli genocide of Palestinians.

    The only argument that Israel has is the same as Putin, blunt violent attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    We were talking about Israel in another thread and you derailed it by bringing up Assad.

    The right also downplay atrocities by invoking the numbers game

    The left don't have a monopoly on shaking hands with despicable characters as you well know. A suspected war criminal was feted in America.

    With this in mind you have not been consistent at all because due to your own political views you go out of your way to defend America's role in supporting what is happening in Gaza. When this is pointed out to you usually deflect by saying look what Donald will do. The difference is I acknowledge there is hypocrisy on the left, you don't seem to be as keen to acknowledge it on the right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    in the case of israel yes as they were engaging in genocide, the arab nations had no option but to engage in a peace keeping mission.

    You are coming across as unhinged, spouting all types of lies and mistruths.

    The pan-Arab invasion of 1948 was in direct contravention of International Law, as the UN ratified the partition of Palestine between Jewish areas and Arab areas. The international community at the time accepted this.

    Are you now against the UN and International law, so that you are saying that it was right and proper that the Arabs invaded Israel in 1948? Does this mean you pick and choose when its convenient what laws should and should not be adhered to? Are you a supporter of Russia, when they invaded Ukraine in contravention of International Law?


    You keep mentioning that Jews were engaged in Genocide in 1948. This is a blatant lie that is coming across as pure Anti-Semitism. Please either back up your statement with any evidence or proof, or withdraw your anti-semitic remark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    because those refugees would never be able to return to palestine as israel would prevent it when they reoccupy gaza and fully occupy the west bank.

    the arab countries know israel's game so are not playing and rightly so.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭yagan


    Plus in the long game Israel is entirely dependent on the USA, every UN vote highlighting illegal annexations beyond the founding UN charter for Israel have been vetoed by the US.

    The US is like a simmering pot and if it boils over all those dependent on us protection will be afterthoughts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    israel started engaging in a genocide of the arab population upon it's creation, the arab countries then sent troops to engage in a peace keeping mission to defend those peoples against genocide.
    legitimate peace keeping missions are not in contravention of UN and international rights law, which the pan-arab intervention of 1948 was.
    trying to use ukrain and pretending to give a damn about them as deflection and whataboutery isn't going to work with me.

    screaching anti-semitism and anti-semetic as deflection and whataboutery isn't going to work with me either.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,290 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    People queuing to get into Syria and others queuing to leave. The hardliners will be the only ones left.

    Thousands queue to flee Syria as ethnic minorities fear post-Assad future | The Independent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    What? Like half the healthcare workers in this country who get abused by Ireland's patriots in the streets?

    You're nobody to tell them what they can and can't celebrate. Maybe half of America who love the old sod will f**k off back home here too? Or are they not brown enough to be told what to do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    another shower of Syrian jihadis, in the thousands, went through the Christmas Market In Essen screaming Allah hu akbar.

    Are there good Syrians, yes, but most of the ones who came to Europe did so because AlQaeda and Islamic state areas were falling to Assad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    You keeping repeating the same thing, without refuting ANY of the points I have made.

    Please give me examples of this 'Genocide' in 1948, that culminated in the Pan-Arab invasion of Isreal.

    Here is the Wiki article of the 1948 war.

    The word Genocide is mentioned ZERO times.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

    You have zero idea what you are talking about, and your repeated posts confirm this view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Maybe. Keep in mind Assad had 10's of thousands of people systematically tortured and murdered, complete control, repression, gassed his own people plus ignited most of this. and plunged the country into endless war - so the Islamists are really going to have to go ham to get it to that level (that said I wouldn't put it past them)

    No one is expecting a democracy (thats not even on the cards), Syrians might accept having to living like people do in e.g. Iran. Which is certainly not good but would still be significantly better than the recent horror.

    It's all a spectrum.

    Syrians do not have much of a choice, and in the present circumstances, pretty much the best they can hope for is for an Iran style situation, rather than a Taliban style situation, rather than an ISIS style situation - in that order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    The Arabs boycotted the negotiations

    Right, so they boycotted it. This contradicts what you initially said.

    As to the Arab delegation

    The Arab Higher Committee rejected both the majority and minority recommendations within the UNSCOP report. They "concluded from a survey of Palestine history that Zionist claims to that country had no legal or moral basis". The Arab Higher Committee argued that only an Arab State in the whole of Palestine would be consistent with the UN Charter.

    The Arabs simply did not want to give over 1 acre of land for a Jewish state. They wanted a state comprised of a majority of Muslim population to rule over a Jewish minority. An Arab supremacy. They refused to compromise on this hard-line position and negotiate or even engage. Then they cried foul when decisions went against them. They invaded and got beaten and have been crying foul since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You've just described Syria for the last 10 years and no one is really praising HTS so there's no "egg on faces"

    What I did predict earlier was that there would be comments like this projecting this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The Taliban ruled through terror, they always have and always will. When they were not stopped dead in their tracks at the Afghan border, the rolled across Afghanistan, armed to the teeth, and met with little opposition, which they quickly disposed of. The support they got didn't come from Afghans, but from Pakistan, their original birthplace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Then answer the question…. " Why do all the neighbouring Islamic country's refuse to take Palestinian refugee's? "



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I sincerely hope this is a genuine question because I've seen plenty of "they are going home now right?" style loaded ones.

    To answer, it all depends on their situation really

    If you are Syrian, and your house has been destroyed over in Syria, it's unlikely you will drop your job here, pull your kids from school, and head over to what is a very uncertain situation.

    That said if people have intact property or less damaged property, have some connections remaining, know a job may be possible and it's relatively safe for family/kids then indeed I think we will see people naturally going back

    I would presume it will be quite gradual (not all at once). Keep in mind the war hasn't suddenly ended, like WW2. It's still very much on and the situation is dire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    There was a time when Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon took in thousands of Palestinians, but in each case, it ended badly for the host Country's because the Palestinians, once in and established, attempted to overthrow the host country, and had to be forcibly ejected meaning war, which is why now, none of their neighbours will take Palestinian Refugees in, and nothing to do with allowing IsraeIsrael to move into vacated land. If Israel wants to do that, they wil do it, whether its occupied or vacant. Or do you have a different expansion as to why the neighbouring countries don't want Palestinian refugees?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭halkar


    Could it be because it is a one way ticket for Palestinians unlike Syrians or any other refugees who have a choice to return at some point in time? Over 5 million refugees in neighbouring countries and many are refugees for decades. Do you think Israel will ever allow any back to Palestine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I remember one time when I was in Amman, Jordan, and heading for Aqaba on the Red Sea. Beautifull countryside, the desert famous for its multi-coloured sands. Mile after mile of uninhabited space, so I asked the Jordanian colleague who I was with why with so much uninhabited land, they couldn't offer some of it to the Palestinians? After a long-drawn-out pause, he remarked that Jordan had tried that before, but that it has been abused, and would never be allowed to happen again. And he said no more on the subject, and it was only after some enquiries i made when I returned to Amman that I found out what had happened. That was the last time I asked a Jordanian about the Palestinian refugee issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    As things stand, I doubt it very much. Will be interesting to see what will happen to the Palestinians now living in Syria (and who have been there for several years) under the new Government. The special passport issued to Palestinian Refugees in Syria is extremely limited travel wise. And its no better for any of their children born in Syria,,,they dont have a automatic right to a Syrian passport, which would open up the world to them. Maybe the new Government will change the rules?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Israel was bombing Syria because Iran's proxies, Hezbollah and Hamas etc were staging attacks on Israeli positions in the Golan theights and elsewhere. Plus, with Assads full permission they were also storing large qty's of arms and munitions, and they took part in attacks against the Free Syrian Army, the Kurds and the US. They worked hand in hand with the Russians also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,421 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    In a shocking development, the native Arab population wanted a government that was reflective of them, rather than be forced to give up 50% of their land to foreigners. How inconsiderate of them. I love that you consider representative governance a hard line position. I'm sure the Unionists would love you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I wouldn't say sleepwalking exactly, no one knows better that the Syrians what Islamic fundamentalists are capable of, but what are their choices???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,274 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I've already told you.

    Their refusal is rooted in fear that Israel wants to force a permanent expulsion of Palestinians into their countries and nullify Palestinian demands for statehood.

    https://apnews.com/article/palestinian-jordan-egypt-israel-refugee-502c06d004767d4b64848d878b66bd3d

    “All historical precedent points to the fact that when Palestinians are forced to leave Palestinian territory, they are not allowed to return back,” said H.A. Hellyer, a senior associate fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “Egypt doesn’t want to be complicit in ethnic cleansing in Gaza.”

    Palestine's neighbours are concerned that if they take in the refugees of Gaza that Israel will simply occupy the empty space. And given the history of Israel's illegal land grabs over the years and their year on year illegal expansion into the west bank, that concern is extremely valid. Israel has already said that Gazan's are forbidden to return to the North of the strip.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    genocide wasn't widely as recognised then as it is now, so the genocide of the arab population that began the day israel was created would not have been recognised as such.
    but a genocide it was and ultimately it was the reason why the arab nations engaged in a vital piece keeping mission to try and stop that genocide from happening.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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