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Best Electricity Plan for new EV Owners

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,089 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Takes nearly a week to catch back up from a long journey on our Niro (daily commute takes 20-25%) and the 4 hrs puts about 35% in a night.

    We are making it work, but are missing the 9hrs of night rate.

    Ended up using 50 odd kWh of day rate charging one day, car came back practically empty and we were leaving early the next morning, didn't even get the full cheap window.

    Although in that case I don't think even the 9 hrs of night rate would have even covered us. Still cheaper than public charging!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭Jakey Rolling


    Typo - Energia 2-6 tarriff.

    Left to my own devices I would manage charging 99% within that window :-)

    100412.2526@compuserve.com



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,095 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Therein lies the problem. Family member here is fantasising about getting an EV, I'm not keen for that exact reason, they wouldn't adhere to the 3hr charging window (I'm with BG) and there'd be murders each time a bill is issued.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Comer1


    There is still a need for Day/Night plans for people (like myself) with a second EV and a longish commute each day, plus a battery to charge, particularly in the winter. I can also imagine it being a bit stressful (and maybe obsessive) trying to watch that everything gets charged in the EV window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,095 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Not really, that's what timers are for. My daily usage is small so it suits me perfectly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Comer1


    What? You just said in the post above that there would be murder in your house because of non adherence to the 3 hour charging window and then you seem to contradict yourself saying there should be no issue as that's what timers are for???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,095 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    I meant for myself it's easy to manage, I'm not doing a boards handbags today, good luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Comer1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    "I've signed up to the Day/Night tariff, at least we'll have no worries about managing the charging window. Worst case our charging costs go up to €700 if we do similar mileage, and our day rate for everything else is 6c less."

    I thought once you'd switched to a Smart tariff you couldn't switch back to a Day/Night Tariff? Am I missing something?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,089 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Energia have a smart tariff that has the DN hrs with no peak



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,123 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'm still in the 9 hour night rate but I've got everything running from 2-6am since July. Means I can get a HDF that simulates my usage during the EV window without committing

    So far EnergyPal is still saying the Energia Smart Drive plan is cheapest but we'll see how winter goes. I expect there'll be a chunk of usage outside that time in the next few months so it'll be interesting to see how much it's estimating next spring

    The biggest disadvantage with this is you need a lot of patience, you'd want at least 6 months of data including winter. Ideally you want a full year so capture everything

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,581 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    I have been with prepay power for years now for gas and electricity, have started the process of switching to electric Ireland and the loyalty department rang me offering €500 to stay. Told them to shove it. They are charging 35c electric and 15c gas plus all their crazy standing charges. I'm going onto the 24hour 25c electric 8c gas and suits us perfect as we only charge the EV about once a week.

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,869 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Absolutely, a big battery EV can take 10+ hrs to replenish if close to empty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,565 ✭✭✭fafy


    we will have 3 EV’s soon, with daughter getting an E Up, fortunately, herself does all charging at work in her ID4, but leaving that aside, it would need some organisation alright, in our 4 hour night window, thats why i discounted the 2 and 3 hour windows tariffs, just not flexible enough, particularly in winter, but getting into a habit of daily charging, its probably manageable, depends on ones daily commuting really



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,565 ✭✭✭fafy


    https://www.boards.ie/profile/908361/Nigzcurran

    You might do better on this one for Electricity only, i don’t know of anything cheaper on a 24 hour Electricity tariff.

    https://www.energia.ie/exclusive-axa-promotion-offer

    24 hour Electricity (standard plan)only is 22.47 inc vat, and standing charge of €236.62 annually inc vat.


    For gas,

    depends on your usage, but Flogas have 8.54 cent per unit inc vat, with a €50 credit, standing charge of €151.19 inc vat.

    https://www.flogas.ie/price-plans/residential/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,095 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    What speed does a battery charge at? It's a figure that's impossible to find.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Its usually limited by the charger. Most home chargers are 7kW. Divide the usable size of your battery by 7kW in this case to give you the number of hours it would roughly take to go from zero to 100%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,565 ✭✭✭fafy


    My charger (Andersen A2)tells me the exact speed, it maxes at 7.2, and as car battery has a charging curve, this reduces as it approaches closer to 100 %



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,089 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Yes limited by the charger.

    But the charger is in the car, that's what does the AC/DC conversion.

    Some early leafs charge at 3.6kE, most newer ones are 6.6kW. I am unsure if the new ones are still 6.6kW or 7kW.

    Nearly all other bev charge at 7ish kW (32 amps)

    So if your grid volt is 230v you'll get 7.2kW

    But if it's low say 215 it will only be 6.8kW

    The charge point configuration can also limit the charge rate

    (On single phase, some cars can charge faster than that on the phase AC, eg the Niro can charge at 11 kW on three phase)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,123 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Did you mean a home battery? It's generally measured as a ratio if the capacity, often for LFP cells it's recommended to charge at 0.5C

    So a 10kWh battery can charge at the

    You can sometimes charge or discharge faster, but you need to check the battery spec sheet

    You may also be limited by your inverter or charge controller

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,095 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Yes it was the home battery I was asking about, I think you missed a bit in your reply but I get it. It's similar to charging a car battery, don't exceed a certain percentage of the capacity for the initial charge and taper off after that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Comer1


    The highest I can set my home battery is 3kw. The most my house will pull is around 10.5 KW so when the home battery is charging and my wife's EV is on the granny charger, my own car will only pull around 5 KW from the Zappi. Depending upon what else is on in the house, it coukd be less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,095 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Thanks for that, I've seen 12kW on my connection so I should be safe enough (if I ever get a battery 😆)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,565 ✭✭✭fafy


    My one charges in 2 hours 45 minutes from 10 to 100 %, its 15kw, but the lowest it goes is 10%, so it charges up at around 4.6 kw, its limited to the invertor max, which is 5kw, and there some minor losses converting to DC


    last night it was at 16% when it started charging at 02:00 and was at 99% by 04:30, a slight curve at the very end.

    IMG_0741.jpeg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,095 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Brilliant, thanks for that great explanation. 15kw is a good sized battery it would cover that morning breakfast usage very easily until the sun came up and started helping things along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,565 ✭✭✭fafy


    It is covering all house usage, for almost every day, exceptions are very cold days, and days when solar production is near zero, we thankfully don’t have any electric showers, so that really helps, and try to stick to timed washing machine, dishwasher during 4 hour night window. All hot water and ev charging during 4 hour night window.

    Heat pump is biggest user by day, for autumn/winter, but even today, i knew we would not use what was left on battery so exported about 6kw, bearing in mind, i am getting 24cent for export. but it was only 7.5 cent to charge the battery.

    In summer months were exporting 800 + per month, a combo of excess solar and exporting from battery, which won’t get used



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭TheSunIsShining


    There's also the charging losses to take into account - as I recall on a home charger it's up to 20%



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,089 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Wouldn't be as high as that, but definitely in the 5-10% range.

    My inverter charging batteries has a 8 % charging loss, (AC in, Vs DC into battery)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 928 ✭✭✭keno-daytrader


    We went from Energia Smart Data to BG ev plan, with the addition of a new EV last week. Our FIT rate is less but should make up for it on the 6cent window.

    I plan to shift all of the EV, hot water and a good bit of heat to the underfloor from the heat pump, dishwasher and laundry on the 6 cent rate. Have 16 kVa import so hoping to save a bit more, even though Energia smart data was a great plan.

    BG EV plan

    34c peak

    24.8c day

    18.5c night

    6.3c 2-5 night

    Energypal is a huge help for people who use it!

    ☀️ 7.8kWp ⚡3.6kWp south, ⚡4.20kWp west



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭Jakey Rolling


    Energia FIT reduced from 24c to 20c from mid January. Hopefully they will also reduce their tariffs by 16% ! I'd expect others to follow, so no point in hopping to another supplier based on FIT.

    100412.2526@compuserve.com



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