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Ian Garry

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,473 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Great effort from Ian but he loses 3-2 in my opinion.

    He got really close to stopping him.

    First guy to go the distance with him. Great effort. Respect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,473 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    3-2 Shavkat, right result. They might fight for a championship in the future. I've no doubt Rakhmonov will win it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭hawaii501


    Really thought he was gonna choke him there.

    Great fight by Ian and I'd say he'll win a rematch in a year when Shavkat has the title.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,218 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    My estimation of Gary went up after that. He's improved and he's a legit top 5 Welterweight. Shav and what's his name? Are gonna fight for the title now.

    Ian Garry could fight another eliminator. Who knows but at least we've another top Irish fighter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,473 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    His takedown defense was impressive. He always seems to have a very good plan for his fights. He took on the best there, a potential future p4p no.1.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭jim Dempsey


    Thought Garry won that fight. Very unlucky, slow start cost him but still did enough to win the fight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,473 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I thought it was pretty clear who won each round and the judges all went that way too. 1,2 and 4 for Shavkat, 3 and 5 to Garry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,218 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I thought Gary was going to take the first until he got tagged with 30 seconds left. Super close to winning that and I thought he was fresher at the end. If there was another 2 rounds I would have backed him.

    Not to be though. Looking at the rankings above him there's plenty of options.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Carcharodon


    extremely solid performance from Garry, he definitely lost fair and square but I think he surprised a lot of people of how well he performed against an elite fighter, he was very close to getting the submission which would of been insane. He is still very young and this could be a very good lesson and great experience, I think he probably gained respect if anything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,057 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    Really good performance by Ian. In hindsight, he perhaps showed Shavkat a little too much respect in the first two rounds.

    First time I remember really caring whether he won or not. Conducted himself really well throughout and after the fight, fought really well. Let’s hope he continues in that mode and we’ll have an Irish contender we can all get behind.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,407 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    result was fair. Garry did well, but needed more urgency and action during stand-up. Too many lulls. Raknonov was there for the taking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭jim Dempsey


    I think a lot of people rated shavkat so highly they give him rounds. If Garry is the one everyone is saying is a monster he probably gets the decision. Il have to watch it back I thought Garry won the 4th and 2 was closer. Having a good reputation helps in close fights I always thought. Great for Ireland to have another top level fighter. Georgia and Ireland doing great for small countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,534 ✭✭✭xtal191


    They should do him and Leon Edwards next



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,762 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Lost in the best possible way to be fair. Stock won't go down after going the distance and threatening a sub like that in R5.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    He did very well. A close 3-2 fight.

    He was in a position to finish, but his RNC technique was not there. Just holding with one arm and the second arm not doing anything. Needed to get his left hand behind the head, or when he couldn't, switch to a short choke behind the back. The finish was there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,403 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Must say, I was pulling for Shavkat here. Garry really gets on my nerves. Even after the final horn on Saturday he was looking to kneel with Shavkat and was holding their arms up as if they'd just been in a Griffin v Bonnar type barn-burner.

    But I have to take my hat off. He did much better against one of the best in the division than I thought he would. He's better than I thought he was. Fair play.

    Now if he could stop being King Cringe he might actually get some support. Noboy gets behind their sportspeople like Ireland……. but we also don't give support to those who give us the ick! If he can find the balance between being good on the mic but also being supportable, he'll be onto something



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,473 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I don't know if you seen any of his pressers but he was finally allowed to be himself again. He showed nothing but respect before and after the fight. If you look at his press conferences he came across as a good guy. Before he made the UFC he was always like that. He came across as a naturally respectful man.

    I've said all along that this awful stuff he was saying was not him. I always believed that his partner was behind it. It always looked like bad acting to me.

    To go in there on short notice and put on a performance like that was incredible.

    They'll definitely meet again and it'll be for the belt.

    I'd guess his next fight will be Leon Edwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭weemcd


    DC has said Shavkat had a torn MCL going into this fight

    https://x.com/ElonovMMA/status/1866019956955185231?t=-L1RmJ5c_MpsvKXjc0g2Dg&s=19



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,473 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He definitely wasn't fighting with a torn MCL. It may have been a light sprain but no worse than that. One kick to any part of the leg and he would be on the floor if he tried to fight on a torn MCL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,769 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Yep, having done my MCL a couple of years ago theres not a hope he was fighting 25 minutes with a bad tear. You wouldnt even need to be kicked. Just moving side to side on his own weight would've caused serious problems. One of those injuries where you feel your knee isnt there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,948 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    He's last 3 fights have been burning as he'll

    He was convincingly beat bar 1 minute in the 5th where he had his back

    Iv never seen someone world class have back control with a body lock two fights in a row and not being able to finish it

    He was runner up in every facet of MMA for 5 rounds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,009 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Ah I dont know, McGregor was cringe for a long time and Irish people still supported him. it was only when he started his crime spree that Irish people stopped supporting him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    A sprain is a torn MCL though. There are degrees to how much a ligament is torn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,473 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    It's called a sprain not a tear.

    If you say a person has a torn MCL you are describing a very serious injury.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    You are incorrect, on both points.

    A sprain is simply the name for a ligament injury, as opposed to a muscle/tendon injury. A sprained ligament is literally another name for a torn ligament. Neither gives any indication of the severity.

    Example below below from the Cleveland Clinic, one of the worlds leading centres. Showing the the range of grades of sprain/tears.

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    If you say a person has a torn MCL you are describing a very serious injury.

    Nope. A torn MCL can be very minor (grade 1), on the other hand a grade 3 sprain is as bad as any tear can be - literally all fibres 100% fully torn aka ruptured.

    I've torn both MCLs, separately. One lead to surgery to repair my meniscus, and the other time I didn't notice and ran a 5km race the next day - certainly wasn't a "very serious injury".

    People tend to informally use sprain for mild injury, which is not medically accurate. And then leads to them confusing torn ligament with fully ruptures. Whenever a fighter fight through a knee injury, the media makes out their knee was blown, even if it was a minor grade 1.

    Shavkat obviously didn't have a ruptured MCL. But if it was a mild knee injury, as in a mild "sprain". The MRI would literally report it as a Grade 1 MCL tear. Which DC likely got wind of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,473 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    It was made out to be a very serious injury.

    In layman's speak the term sprain is used to describe a not so serious MCL injury, when they say torn they are describing a much more serious injury.

    Do you want me to go googling to prove this to you?

    Here's a couple of examples

    https://www.nfl.com/news/packers-qb-jordan-love-suffered-mcl-sprain-friday-vs-eagles-recovery-timeline-tbd



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    DC didn't say it was severe, you assumed that was implied. Thinking (in ignorance) as "all tears are serious". You're proving my point above.

    Regardless, I was responding to your post not to DC. Sprains are ligament tears, that is simply the mechanism of injury in ligaments . The grade is only indicator of severity. Neither of those links disproves anything I've said, they are individual injuries.

    Here's another example where Israel fought with a knee injury, KO'd Pereira and took no time off. It's described as a grade 1 tear. Do you think that this was a "very serious injury" because it was called a tear?

    https://www.espn.com.au/mma/story/_/id/36303736/israel-adesanya-says-won-ufc-title-fighting-torn-mcl

    Do you think my grade 1 LCL tear and and grade 1 ITB tear was a serious injury? Must have been if it was a tear right?

    Instead of articles referring to random injuries. Any number of websites will explain it for you, and highlight that you are wrong to assume.

    https://www.physio-pedia.com/Ligament_Sprain

    A sprain can range from mild (tearing of just a few fibres) to severe (complete rupture of the ligament, leading to joint instability).

    The severity of a sprain is graded according to how badly the ligament has been damaged and whether or not the joint has been made unstable:

    Grade I - structural damage only on microscopic level, with slight local tenderness and without joint instability.

    Grade II - partial tear (rupture) of the ligament, visible swelling and noticeable tenderness, but without joint instability (or with mild instability).

    Grade III - a severe sprain: complete rupture of the ligament with significant swelling and with instability of the joint.

    Just because people tend to use sprain for mild tears, that doesn't you can assume that's always the implication. As this example literally proves.

    Shavkat probably had a mild injury, a grade 1 like Adesanya. It's correct to call it a sprain, it's also correct to call it a tear. If he had a scan to diagnosis, that is more likely yo use the tear nomenclature.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,473 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    These people are trying to make it sound more serious. A sprain is used by the media to tell you it's not so serious. A torn MCL is their description of a very serious injury.

    Obviously you are reading up medical terms but that's not what the media use. And it's not only the media, it's you normal everyday person. A doctor tells you it's a sprain if it's not serious. They explain that's it's a serious tear if it's a major problem that likely needs an op.

    And we are talking about what was said in the media. They are not medical professionals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    The media has no idea how severe any injury is - they’re not medical professionals as you said. They just repeat what they’re told.

    Besides I’m talking about what you said, not the media.

    You said a sprain isn’t a torn ligament. That’s incorrect.

    You said Shavkat couldn’t have had a torn ligament - again incorrect.

    You assumed MCL tear meant debilitating, it doesn’t (thankfully).

    A torn MCL is their description of a very serious injury.

    Except for the times it doesn’t mean that… Like, for example, Shavkats injury. This Is literally a case when a non serious injury was describe as a tear in the media. And you’re insisting it can’t mean that in the media. LMFAO

    Simple question. Israel’s injury above reported above in mainstream media as a tear?? Was it a serious injury, or not serious?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,473 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I haven't a clue about Adesanya's injury. I avoid reading anything about him since his multiple n word barrage.

    And you are accepting nothing I'm saying for some insane pedantic reason. So I think we'll leave it there.



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