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BEWARE...DK Windows and Doors (Dublin based) has closed down!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    What is DKs full name?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 stibob


    Darragh Kane



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 temptem


    Same situation here, deposit paid by family member, no show, then come across this thread here.

    Specifically joined to keep track of information here.

    It's some awful time of year for such a thing to occur.

    I see some people have received emails from a liquidator. I'm not sure where to begin here, the first question is how anyone has received an email from anyone?

    Thanks.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,035 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    I had an install done earlier this year and there's a few outstanding - thankfully small enough - issues. I assume it's just tough luck on me getting them sorted? And any guarantees on my install are worthless even if the door/window was manufactured by a 3rd party?

    Had a mixed bag dealing with DK when trying to sort them - some staff members in there were great, once you got hold of them, but many other times just getting promised a call back that never happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭massy086


    If your door was made by apeer or paladio they are quiet good for warranty repairs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭Gerrymandering reborn


    Can I just say I feel so sorry for people who have lost their hard earned money to this crowd.

    We're not talking about Mickey mouse amounts of money, thousands have been lost down the drain due to selfish nature of some individuals.

    I hope the directors are held personally responsible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭spillit67


    I’m sure there’s a bit more to it but a business (not unlike many) that regularly was quite tight in terms of its capital (based on prior accounts). Seems like they were there for 20 years and muddled through the crash so that probably gave undue optimism.

    Looks like they doubled employees in the space of a couple of years, I’m assuming really expanding the order book. Probably the Covid boom of home work, running straight into Ukraine and inflation.

    Goes to show, don’t expand too much without having the capital buffer to weather shocks.

    Something to be concious of for anyone buying windows, floors etc. We’ve probably all got a bit too optimistic after being cynical for so long post crash. Sorry to all of you who lost out, the information given to customers is just not good enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 MrHarper


    Business Post article about DK Windows and Doors. One silver lining is the liquidators are looking to seek a new entity to fulfil customer orders that have paid a deposit. https://removepaywalls.com/https://www.businesspost.ie/news/liquidators-appointed-to-dk-windows-doors/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,882 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    I'd guess that the commercial side of the business with poorer payment terms were holding up revenue across the whole business, that's why many businesses refuse to operate in the commercial space and stick to residential as you have better payment terms such as payment on installation there. Commercial customers will often only pay after 90 days or even longer, all depends on the funding model for the construction. That really messes up business, especially if costs have increased over that duration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Interesting that it's reported as having been in business 20 years but it seems from this that the Ltd Company has only been in existence for 12 years: https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/Dk-Windows-And-Doors-Limited-520939

    Might have been sole trading before that or something?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,132 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    This will be one of the topics on Liveline today...that is if Joe sticks to the topics he announced on Louise Duffy's show 😉.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,378 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Seems to be almost identical to the Signature Windows liquidation last year:

    I was actually really paranoid after the the above and spent ages researching who to go with for a windows and door installation last year - went with DK Windows and Doors in the end. Everything went really well and I was recommending them to others. Really shocked to hear about this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭Homesick Alien


    We moved into our house last year and used DK for the retrofit. We're one of the lucky ones as our windows are installed but they were a nightmare to deal with. Order delay after delay, then the wrong doors arrived, our salesperson was impossible to get a hold of then left the company and then his replacement also left. We were given the total runaround. Feel very sorry for anyone who's been shafted by this crowd. Hope you get some compensation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭JVince


    stop making utterly stupid and ridiculous excuses for this company.

    If you are supply a commercial company many will take out invoice insurance. Fairly stand in the industry.

    90 days is NOT the norm in construction. Only companies that are financially strapped like dk windows delay payments to 90+ days.

    So don't making stupid excuses for a cowboy like this. They KNEW they were insolvent.

    Whilst I wasn't affected, I really hope the ODCE take action against the directors for fraudulent trading and a court issues a custodial sentence to send a message to other cowboys



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Is there a particular reason why windows seems to be impacted here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭sugarman20


    Customer fury as Dublin windows company shuts with thousands in deposits

    Link



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭CPTM


    How do you pay via debit or credit card though? My understanding is that companies like this normally give an IBAN to transfer money to? Do the sales reps have card machines with them when they come to the house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 paulor2000


    you go into the head office/ showroom and pay with card or over the phone . The scumbags would have nearly driven you to the bank to get the money out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭roddney


    Sorry to hear about dk windows and people losing their deposits. I used dk windows 2 years ago instead of signature windows. Was very lucky as signature went bust around them and I likely would have lost everything. Signature were very pushy and slightly more expensive.


    I had a terrible install experience with dk windows, similar to other people. The aluminium windows were very well made and were a good product, Reynaers profiles. All work was contracted out and there was zero coordination. Took weeks of coordination to get basics like plastering and window sills. Really difficult to get alignment issues fixed, which made things shody.

    The staff were actually decent, just poorly managed.

    Paying was different then though. I only had to pay when product was ready for delivery. They wouldn’t deliver till I did. They appeared to be demanding full payment well in advance in recent times, which is alarming and suggests reckless trading.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 MrHarper


    Joe Duffy certainly not a fan of DK Windows and Doors - https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22469609/



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    You can't blame him, has to be absolutely devastating for some people, its large deposits lost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,378 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    It's interesting to see the payment change the closer they got to liquidation.

    Just looking back through my emails and I had my windows and door installed in March 2024. So actually a bit more recently than I was thinking.

    They took 50% payment the day I was in the showroom, 25% payment a week before installation and then I had to pay the final 25% once the job was done.

    So looking back, I was actually 75% paid up before the installation date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭CPTM


    Worst time of year as well.

    It's bizarre when you think about it. I get the legalities of it all, and the economics of banking, but when you step back from it all, we're saying that people first save and then deposit 10s of thousands of euros and lose all of that because banks, that made billions of euros profit last year, need to get their money back first.

    Doesn't really sound right...



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thats a very damming article, €1.5m of customer deposits is a lot of money to use to prop up a business especially when the building trade is very busy. Having black friday deals as well, I hope the office of corporate enforcement goes after them hard.

    No ideas what the bailing out of banks has to do with anything here and a silly side conversation on the fairness of the banking bailout 15 years ago is no help to those with a problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    It takes a special skill to go bust in a boom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 stibob


    This has to be one of the largest consumer rights scandals in years. I don't ever remember a company that has gone bust impacting people so significantly from a financial perspective.

    It is a glorified pyramid scheme that customers were unknowingly partaking in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭boardsdotie44


    Thanks for that, what to do if large deposit i.e. 10k, I recently did transfer, thankfully the job got done!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭woejus


    he certainly made a bags of it alright. ❄️❄️❄️❄️

    as with Roddney up above, I was into them for six figures and they made a balls of installation. took an actual court date to get them to rectify. The day the court date landed with them was the first time I heard from DK himself, he was just back from Vegas…

    the staff were excellent, the windows were great, just think it got away from him

    none of you are ever getting windows, unless the suppliers work with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭boardsdotie44


    I think what he refers to is the bank get their money first from the liquidators.. then the customer.. despite banks earning billions in profits..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭argentum


    Someone that worked there has said that they were told a new investor was coming on board. I'd imagine that's the defence the owner will use to show he wasn't trading while insolvent



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