US Healthcare CEO Murdered - Please read mod note at OP

When someone gets murdered, I think if you feel the need to say "He was a sh1t", then yes, you sort of are condoning his murder.

Because why else would that be a comment that anyone would feel the need to make in this context?

Would you say it to the family at the wake? If not, why is it ok to say it here? It's not as though you know it to be true, because you, like all of us here, know nothing of him or how he worked. He could have been a wonderful man doing his best to improve the company's services - and for all we know just hadn't yet managed to turn it around.

As for the killer, his name is now out there, a rich prep school and Ivy League frat boy.

A real Robin Hood no doubt.

He attended a private, all-boys high school in Baltimore, Maryland, according to a LinkedIn account, which appears to belong to him. Mr Mangione was named as the valedictorian of Gilman School.

He is also a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania, where he studied computer science and founded a video game development club.

A friend who attended the university at the same time as Mr Mangione described him as a "super normal" and "smart person".

Out of curiosity I looked up Brian Thompson, whose childhood and family origins were much less privileged: his father was a "grain elevator worker" and he went to the University of Iowa.

But yeah, he's the baddie.

Definitely many of the thousands of pretty boy assassin fans will have an interest in who tipped the cops off.

America is the land of crazy armed people after all.

Same nutters on here praising this murder are the same nutters complaining about American gun laws and violence.

The only way to stop a "bad" guy with a gun is a "good" guy with a gun.

The "bad" guy was unarmed and shot in the back in this instance. Hmm.

The American care is more binary. If you have insurance, you can get the best healthcare in the world, bar none.

This isn't really true though. Apart from not all healthcare providers having the exact same highest quality provision or facilities; as demonstrated by the anger at UHC, a lot of insured people are getting denied aspects of their treatments. I saw a video of a mother who took her baby with a brain swelling to a hospital who then said the baby needed to be transferred to another hospital a hundred miles away who could properly treat the baby. But UHC denied that and when she said she would drive the baby herself, they said they would not cover her in the other hospital because the transfer wasn't by ambulance.

Then of course there are the deductibles. You can have a good employer provided health insurance policy but not have the money to cover your own portion before it kicks in. Or if you have a serious long term illness and can't work, then bye bye to your employer funded insurance.

You don't control where and who you are born to but you can control who you become, unfortunately, the CEO chose the path to be a piece of ****

Right, but why does the CEO deserve the bullet and the HSE execs in Ireland only need to be fired?

Who is ultimately responsible for the HSE? The minister of health, so maybe if someone shoots them, they deserve it?

Rich spoilt Ivy League frat boy murders rural working-class man who done well for himself… and the working-class man is the bad guy in this situation

Why do you insist on showing how little you know about both the Irish and American healthcare systems?

But in that case there was a huge investigation afterwards. The HIQA found 20 something points of failure. Changes were instituted to prevent this happening again. The one change the HSE couldn't do was legalise abortion. But we had a citizens assembly, and then a vote and it became legal.

That was after one (technically two) deaths. It's horrific that it happened. And it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but changes were made. We're still not perfect. We still need loads more work, but change happened.

In the US tens of thousands die every year due to medical insurance. And nothing happens.