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US Healthcare CEO Murdered - Please read mod note at OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,013 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Get another job. Plus, everyone gets the dole here apparently if they want it.

    There are legal ways to handle miscreants at every level in society, even the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,979 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Talk about a strawman..

    The example you gave is nothing to do with the man who was murdered by the way..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Did you not spend the morning tryna compare the American system to here? I don't think you should mention straw man arguments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Name is out there now as well. 26 year old Italian American Ivy League graduate.

    He has this X-ray as part of his banner on his twitter profile

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    Apparently the gun is a ghost gun



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,979 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I dont give two hoots about the American Insurance companies, they can go bankrupt or be nationalised if all I care.

    What I don't like are people who think of themselves as 'good left-leaning folks' dancing on the grave of some innocent man walking down the street. If this man is fair game, than so are most of our top executives and leaders both here and in the US.

    If this man is scum and a parasite, then so are the people who work for the VHI, or the legal team inside the HSE who tried to delay compensation payments to Vicky Phelan and tried to shut her up with a NDA.

    If this man deserved a bullet, so do many hundreds of Irish people who work at the top echelons of the HSE, Government and Irish Insurance companies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,685 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    they may actually find it very difficult to gain further employment under such conditions, especially if they are in their senior years of employment, and what happens if they still have significant responsibilities such as debt repayments, mortgage etc, and other dependents?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,270 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Are you left leaning? Because it is only you talking about taking out vhi execs. Not everything is about the left vs Right. You think the victims company was only screwing over left leaning customers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,979 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    People should be able to do 2 things at the same time.

    1. Utterly condemn this murder, unequivocally
    2. Question the state of the US health and insurance industry.

    What we are seeing is people gleefully dancing on the grave of a man who was murdered. Kind of sick tbh.

    You don't like the man, he could have been an ass. But it doesn't matter if he was an ass, murdering him was wrong, unequivocally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    This "logic" of yours has been debunked ad nauseum at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,142 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    He made the police's job easy, having the gun still on him. You'd think he'd at least ditch it if he was smart.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,142 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,729 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm happy to condemn the murder but concur with other posters that he was a terrible human being. You don't seem to think saying the latter part out loud is okay but it doesn't amount to condoning it.

    Reminded somewhat of the Shinzo Abe assassination in terms of the public mood. That one actually did lead to systemic change, I don't see anything changing in the US though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    The glee over that killing has united the left and right in America. It's simply not a partisan issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,013 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Maybe. Maybe not. These types have connections. Seems like at worst, they'd end up in the same boat the clients of Brian Thompson routinely go through. Karma's a bitch as they say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,979 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Our outcomes for € spent are very very bad. Not as bad as the Americans, but worse than most if not all European countries.

    For Irish people to criticise the American healthcare system is odd, tbh given we have huge issues ourselves.

    The American care is more binary. If you have insurance, you can get the best healthcare in the world, bar none.

    Sure, did Gerry Adams (a so-called Socialist) have an operation in the US, paid for by a rich friend of his. They are at the forefront of many high-tech advancements in medical treatment, that often trickles down to the rest of the world over time.

    For Americans, though, the issue is that many don't have insurance so it's a struggle, and the insurance companies themselves need to be reigned in by DC given their questionable practices. That is when you have the nightmarish issues.

    So, for every American who falls out of the loop, you may have 2 or 3 who get on fine and love the healthcare system. But there are 340 million Americans so that is a lot of people out of the loop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,979 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I sincerely doubt it takes a year in Ireland. Come on.

    You are correct, it doesn't take a year, it takes 5 years…

    How do I know? One of my kids needed an MRI because they were born with a genetic lifelong disease. They were 3 years old at the time. The consultant stated that if you wait for it publicly you will wait for approx 5 years. Or you can pay privately, you will be waiting approx 1 year.

    We went with the latter option.

    In our haste to give shite to the Americans, we are seemingly blind to our own faults in providing healthcare to people.

    But hey, it sure makes us feel all lovely, warm and superior, doesn't it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,979 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    For someone who works in the industry, you seem to have zero clue about the real state of the issue here in Ireland.


    Remember, this is average. If you happen to fall out of favour of the Geographic lottery, you can be talking YEARS!

    https://www.irishtimes.com/health/2024/01/09/average-wait-time-for-public-patients-to-see-a-consultant-fell-by-two-months-last-year/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Sweet baby jesus the entire point people have been making repeatedly is that having insurance in America does NOT guarantee treatment as the likes of Thompson will find an excuse to deny coverage when its needed.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,088 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,013 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    "

    The American care is more binary. If you have insurance, you can get the best healthcare in the world, bar none.

    "

    Well, sorta. If you don't have insurance, most medical practices will refuse to see you. Medicaid, which is available as a 'last resort' for people of low income, gets you 'some' health care. Not the best. Many health-care providers don't accept it, so you'll have to pay, if you can get in, And most health care providers don't take people without insurance.

    If you don't have insurance and you go to the emergency room (A&E), that can be financially ruinous. The ER's won't let you die, but they'll patch you up and if you don't have insurance, well, they'll send you the bill and see you later.

    If you have access to the best clinics and doctors, you can get great health care. But, that depends on the practice and on the insurance you have. Not all doctors take all insurances, as a result, not everyone has access. Some practices are 'boutique,' you pay a large annual fee and get access to (presumably) an elite practice. This is what the uber-wealthy do in the US these days, none of this plebian dealing with insurers guff for them.

    I had employer-provided insurance most of my life, and the better employers with better policies got me in to see better doctors. I had Obamacare for awhile, not nearly as good access and couldn't see doctors that I'd seen before - Obamacare was just a policy from a provider, the government did somewhat hold a gun to the providers head that they couldn't bankrupt me or block me due to 'preexisting conditions.' And the out of pocket expenses were high, much higher than I ever had here, but not as bad as I knew they could be.

    Medicare, what you get at age 65 and above, is probably the best access I've had since I had really good employer insurance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,729 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Ya, he's a bit of a tech bro on his timeline on Twitter. Lots of love for Elon's vision and shite. Doesn't actually express much in terms of views on there. Does have a bit of a vibe that some event triggered it but we shall see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,872 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    He wanted to be caught.

    Getting away with it isn't part of his narrative IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,274 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    You don't need to wait a year for a private MRI in Ireland. I could get a non-urgent appointment next week if I was flexible.

    Cant speak for the public system on MRI wait times but the interactions I've had publicly have been mostly fine - aside from one awful night in Vincent's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,142 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭reclose


    Interesting he still had the weapon and was found with documents.
    It does look like he wasn’t making an effort to conceal his identity or perhaps he was complacent once he got out of New York.
    Being caught does make sense if he wants to make a statement about the private healthcare insurers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭baxterooneydoody


    There's a big difference between bad management with overblown health administration and the purposeful wanton defrauding of the American people through sham insurance policies and the use of loopholes to deny people basic healthcare,

    I'm in favour of everyone of these miscreants being executed until someone finally pays attention and starts to view shareholders as being less important than the millions of people denied payouts because of sham policies and the targeting of vulnerable people who know no better.

    I hope anyone thinking of doing a mass shooting in America diverts their focus to some fat cat on too much money exploiting normal people to make millionaires richer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,142 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    I'd be making myself scarce if I was the McDonald's employee who called the cops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,013 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Does he/she deserve whatever she gets too?


    An armed murderer on the run from the law and with a grudge against big corporations is standing in your branch of a very big corporation. Maybe he wants an egg McMuffin, maybe he’s going to kill someone.

    I’d be phoning the police too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,932 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Can't really tell, comes across as the type who would have still been working his way through a plan.

    Looks just like old fashioned good/bad (delete as appropriate) luck that he was picked up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Do you think McDonalds McMuffins provide health insurance?



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