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What if Tesco hadn't bought Quinnsworth?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,849 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Quinnsworth basically was Loblaws. Same owners, Yellow Pack = No Name. Don't think it would have been any different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭supereurope


    Having lived in the UK, I'd quite like Waitrose to come in. It looked for a while it might happen too...in 2003 it did a deal with Superquinn to stock its ready meals and a few other products. I think some people saw it as the first step in a Waitrose entry to ROI (and Superquinn would have been the ideal partner, since the concept of both was similar), but the events of 2008 killed any chance of it happening back then. Brexit and the cost of living crisis will ensure it won't ever happen.

    EDIT: I thought Waitrose did the deal in 2005/2006, but I looked it up and it was actually earlier than that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Near where the garda station is. It was the land where Ryemont Abbey was later built, it was originally waste ground in the third phase of Ryevale Lawns. It seems a much smaller site than the Lucan one, so maybe they had intentions of buying the farm adjacent to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,109 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    They are doing it a nasty way. They are basically saying get a clubcard or we are going to rip you off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,822 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Which puts the squeeze on poorer people to give up their data for marketing purposes under duress.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,913 ✭✭✭Feisar


    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭its_steve116


    Just curious why Quinnsworth never came to Kilkenny?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,849 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Dunnes jumped on any potential sites, just as they did for any potential Tesco stores.

    Some 80s development proposals in Kilkenny had Quinnsworth anchors and never got built though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭JVince


    Some Waitrose products were in Dunne's for a while, but there was little reaction and it seems the test is over.


    Waitrose have their own issues in the UK, so I doubt a small market like here is of interest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭its_steve116




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭supereurope


    I stumbled across this May 1979 Quinnsworth ad a few months ago while looking up something else in the newspaper archives. Full of confidence as the 1980s loomed, but the promise of "…a Quinnsworth store in every county in Ireland" was never achieved. Its successor has only just achieved it now, over 45 years later.

    13May79 Sunday Press Quinnsworth ad.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭its_steve116


    It technically has two stores in county Kilkenny now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,323 ✭✭✭zg3409


    In terms of would it have survived , it's unlikely. Most smaller supermarket chains have since closed/sold, the one in Swords was bought over by Dunnes recently

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/dunnes-seeks-to-acquire-jc-s-supermarket-in-swords-1.3958123

    and the independent Galway chain is gone. I was told by a previous employee the Galway independents had a deal with co-op UK to buy all their stock with their larger buying power but brexit stopped that making sense. You really need a massive market to buy in the basics and clones of popular brands to stay relevant. Tesco entered the USA market and lost a fortune and left in 2013

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-22179255

    I know of a place where the yellow crazy pricing shelving still lives on. It's from the greystones branch and it's a strong as houses.

    Tesco Irish HQ were in the Dun Laoghaire branch but over time they pulled back much of the Irish management to UK based. The Irish HQ was more for show "Tesco Ireland" but much of the stock was and is from UK.

    I think Tesco missed a beat but not keeping a more discount branch like crazy prices in poorer areas. They left the door open for Aldi and Lidl as there was no real large discounter any more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Quinnsworth was the biggest supermarket chain in the country, JC's had one store! No comparison.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭supereurope


    I agree - Quinnsworth would have survived into the 21st century without the Tesco takeover. Thing is, a takeover had to happen, because ABF/the Westons wanted to exit the food business in Ireland, so if Tesco hadn't bought it, someone else would have.

    Hypothetically, if ABF hadn't wanted to exit food retailing, it's interesting to think where Quinnsworth would have gone. It likely would have gone further upmarket, something it had already started pre-1997, with the end of Yellow Pack and the introduction of the "Premium Choice" own brand. As well as that, around the time of the Tesco deal, Quinnsworth were preparing to open (in Dun Laoghaire) their first store under the fancy "Bloomfields" brand, an attempt to take on M&S. It's likely we would have seen more Bloomfields open, and maybe some Quinnsworth stores in well-off areas converting to Bloomfields. I imagine some other Bloomfields features would have flowed down to regular Quinnsworth stores.

    On the other end of the market, it would have been interesting to see how Crazy Prices would have handled the arrival of the German discounters - would they have exited that market or taken the Germans on?

    Tesco always had a big non-food operation, but Quinnsworth growth would have been limited in this area as ABF already had Penney's. They might have expanded their hardware, tech, toys offering though.

    Quinnsworth might have bought Superquinn when it collapsed instead of Musgraves/Supervalu, with the bigger and better Superquinn shops becoming Bloomfields.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭its_steve116


    The shopping centre in Dun Laoghaire still uses the Bloomfields name.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    I worked in Bloomfield’s from 97-2004 when I was in school/college. The first 2/3 years it was still treated as a premium store but it changed then.

    Gone was our cheese island and exotic fruit stand the the sizable fresh fish section just to be replaced by standard tesco tack



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    And on top of Quinnsworth, how would Ireland look today if Roches Stores hadn't been bought out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭supereurope


    I've only ever been in there once, circa 2004. I didn't think it was that different from any big Tesco.

    Alas, I doubt Roches would have survived the 2008 recession or the pandemic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I think it was profitable at the time which - together with its hundreds of stores - was attractive to Tesco.

    I remember when this started. The Quinnsworth stores became Tesco ones.

    I'm wondering how many current Tesco stores are former Quinnsworth stores? In Wexford maybe around 2011-3, Tesco moved to Distillery Road and build a large supermarket there. Previously it was in the shopping-centre in South Main Street. The shopping-centre seems to be derilect now. I hope it gets some usage - maybe as housing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭its_steve116


    Good question - of course the company that bought out RS no longer exists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭supereurope


    My local Tesco in Mallow was a Quinnsworth, opened 40 years ago. Had a big refurb just before the takeover so was one of the first to be converted because Tesco didn't have to do very much to bring it up to standard. It's looking pretty tired now, though, and I'm surprised Tesco hasn't built a big new store outside the town and moved there.

    The Paul St Tesco in Cork City also started life as a Quinnsworth. It's 40 years old next year, and I think an excellent way to mark that anniversary would be to knock it down - it's a dismal place.

    I think there were only three other Quinnsworths in Cork in 1997 - Douglas (which was the first Quinnsworth outside of Dublin when it opened), Wilton and Midleton. All three stores have been rebuilt since the takeover (Douglas and Wilton on the site of the original stores, and on a new site in Midleton.)

    A few others that I can think outside Cork are the Merrion and Jervis centre stores in Dublin (Jervis was one of the last Quinnsworths to open), the two Baggot St shops and Poleberry in Waterford.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Debenhams was handy for getting Wrangler, Levi and Pepe Jeans. Think Levi had to reopen a shop in Dublin, Grafton Street, when Debenhams closed. The country needs their Levi jeans at the end of the day ha!.

    It's amazing how many builders rock around wearing Levi jeans on the sites, considering the price of even the basic 501s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,167 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    The original Tesco in Galway Shopping Centre used to be Quinnsworth as well. I was there the day it opened. They had a competition to see how many people could fit into a Mini. I was stuffed under the bonnet 🤣🤣.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Funny how Yellow Pack was just the same as ABF's Loblaws had in Canada.

    Then Premium Choice was just a rip-off of Loblaw's President's Choice, even the PC logo was the same.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭supereurope


    Quinnsworth's opening hours for Christmas 1980. I never realised Quinnsworth had supermarkets in Dalkey, Dolphin's Barn and Sundrive Road. I assume they were fairly small and leftover from the Power days, and didn't last long into the 80s? I know the Superquinn on Sundrive Road opened circa 1981/1982, which probably would have driven Quinnsworth away.

    16Dec80 Evening Herald Quinnsworth ad.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭its_steve116


    What happened to the one in Northside? Was it replaced by Superquinn/Dunnes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭supereurope


    They inherited that one from Five Star didn't they? Looks like it closed around 1987 and was replaced with an A-Wear store. AFAIK, Superquinn was at Northside from the very beginning in the 1970s. Not sure about Dunnes.

    29Jul87 Irish Independent Quinnsworth.png


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,849 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Dalkey - still there 1987. Pretty sure it's what is Supervalu now. Wonder did they dispose of it after picking up some H Williams units elsewhere

    Looks like Dolphins Barn was exactly where the Tesco Express is now weirdly; was closed by the early 80s.

    Can't track Sundrive, if Crumlin hadn't been there too I'd assume it was the Crumlin SC one misnamed as it is at the end of Sundrive. But because it's there, I have no idea.



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