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The End of Assad? Syrian Rebels enter the outskirts of Aleppo for the first time since 2016

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Do you have any evidence to where anyone important in EU or US are calling this lot the “good guys”?

    I think everyone is fairly clear eyed that this is what the Middle East from which the “west” has retreated looks like

    A hell hole where various sects want to drag everyone back to the 7th century and falling empires like Russia trying hard to hang on to any sort of relevance (and bases for their imperial/criminal networks) while looting resources

    The Far Left got what they wanted, Middle East for middle easterners by middle easterners and it looks like hell on earth for locals who wants to live in the 21st century and be free and prosperous and not be subjected to Russian bombs and chemicals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,146 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Is this Syria going of the frying pan under Assad and into the fire under these rebels? Or is Syria now going to be like Afghanistan and run by a Taliban like group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Libya since Gaddafi

    I suspect that ^ would be what the future of Syria looks like



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭yagan


    I thought it weird at the time when I saw Rambo II was dedicated to the godly warriors of Afghanistan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    This is now post colonial Syria.

    Where as Assad was very much a product of European influences and thought.

    He led a socialist party. You don't get much more European colonial legacy than that and bar the repression and killing he did do some good things and for minorities women etc he did help moderate

    As that now fades the indigenous belief comes to the fore, same happened in Afghanistan, Iraq with its lowering of marriage to 9, going bringing in the death penalty for homosexuality and on and on.

    It's all very vibrant.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    There’s a thread in parallel about Afghanistan

    It got to a stage where you hear bleeding hearts on the far left go on how terrible and barbaric every place in the Middle East is, be it; Syria, Iraq, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Saudi, UAE etc

    well yeh this is what a multipolar world where there is no “policeman” looks like in places where the ideal society is based on teachings of herder who had several wives (as young as seven) and economics based on corruption and bribery and slavery



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Played the clip don't speak Arabic.

    Understood enough recognised enough words, screaming, angry, pointing, serious, talk about their war God Allah. Al quds ie Jerusalem, Muslimah, and Muhammed, the creator of their belief.

    Whack jobs, the good outcome will not be good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,020 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The big winners in all of this are the Turks. After taking in and looking after 3 million Syrians they are the ''good guys'' to all around them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,334 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    .. deleted, link not working



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭downthemiddle




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,020 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Maybe not the Kurds but to everyone else. They have won many brownie points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Add in the price for arming, training and funding the winners will be the payback of Syria allowing the gas pipe through, permanent oversight of the Turkish communities in the north and attacking kurds.

    Turkey will be a problem yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    That sort of throws a spanner into the conspiracy theories about this conflict being orchestrated by the Global Jewish Lizard People Cabaal in concert with the CiA DeEpStAtE

    As seen earlier in thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I see the pro-Israel posters are here to say why all of this is a bad thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Saying it isn't going to be good isn't saying it is bad that Assad is gone.

    IIf it is stable and not too savage, it might be acceptable, it is another regional power falling in to religious dominated govt.

    Jordan would want to be careful, the one with Petra in it not plastic in her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Macron seems delighted this has happened , so do Keir Starmer and Michael Martin.Be nice if they just didn't comment or simply stated they don't give a **** it has nothing to do with us we don't care one way or another how you run your country as long as it doesn't impact europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Anything that is still left there belonging to the Russian's, and that includes any thing still at the airbase, Putin can forget about it now. I wonder if any of the ships returning to Russia, will come under attack from Ukraine? Icing on the cake!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Russia spin doctors at work….all the positive points, trading partnerships, good relations with one or two opposition groups…yeah! Russians are hated in Syria by everyone regardless of party. He forgot to mention that part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I seem to recall pro-Kremlin posters saying something similar about Ukraine after the full scale invasion happened in 2022. Apparently Hungary, Romania and Poland were all going to sweep in and take back territory that had been under their control at some time in the past.

    I'd hold off on the predictions for now. This is a complex fast moving situation.

    One thing appears to be clear though and that is that what has happened in Syria is a direct result of decisions taken by both Israel and Russia in recent times.

    The middle east is the most complex geopolitical region on earth (and it's not even close). There is a delicate political balance both within the countries there and throughout the region at an international level. Wars that happen in countries ripple out to their neighbours, often with unintended consequences.

    The 2003 invasion of Iraq had huge consequences that are still being felt to this day.

    A month ago nobody would have predicted Assad's fall. It would be foolish to try and predict too far into the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,146 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I can't understand why they are coming out with these statements seems to be jumping the gun, it's not like they know what way the regime that is replacing Assad is going act. They could be a lot worse than he was.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yeah, but that was when Afghans were fighting the dastardly Russian's!!! And Pakistan was more than involved in that war too!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    One would get whiplash trying to follow the Russian spin

    The went from calling these guys “Isis, terrorists, rebels that are part of elaborate Zionist conspiracy”

    To “it’s all part of 42D chess master strategy by Putin to throw Assad under the bus with help of our Turkish friends and their allies”

    In a space of a couple of days

    Which itself raises so many questions and consequences

    The problem for them is that they can’t now go back and edit their posts 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The collapse of the Ottoman empire is still playing out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Russia is now going around in ever decreasing curcles in their propaganda war, until they will eventually vanish up their rectums! Where hopefully, the mounting pressure from the acumulated lies will explode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 32,242 ✭✭✭✭Mars Bar


    My Syrian Muslim colleague can drink to beat the band. Would fit in well at an Irish party
    Poor guy has had his family displaced by the war and the earthquake. He went to visit family in the summer and got stuck there as the UAE had stopped granting visas. Thankfully he managed to get back out to the UAE. But seeing his stories of rockets lighting up the sky in the background of where his family is was pretty harrowing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Given that the talk is increasing turning to deals being made, being the real reason behind the unbelievably rapid advance, then Russians would have had plenty of time to clinically clean out the embassy, and the airport. But that's not what seems to have happened, in the latter stages, Russia seems to have been in a panic. I'm not sure if they managed to get all their assets out of the airport or Tartous. The Embassy would of course have been on a different priority level, but even so, a skilled team of intelligence operatives could glean quite an amount of infromation even from a supposedly clean environment. I'm sure that if the building has any secrets, they will be found.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes. Under Assad, the lifestyle was pretty western, women free to choose what to wear, eat and drink. Lots of home-grown wines in the region, and good wines at that.The offset of that, as your friend described it is the continuous background of bombing and shooting. In the 3 years I was there, while in Damascus, I don't ever think that there was a day without bombs or shooting. All very unpredictable. Tartous being the exception, not too much war visible there, but the war was everywhere else. After the Russians arrived mid 2015, things started to change, but their presence really only started to make a difference at the end of 2015, and into 2016. After extensive bombing of Deraa, and when the Rebels were forced into re-locating to Idlib, where they continued the fight. This was apparent in the speed at which HTS took Idlib. But it was true of many Cities, Raqqa, Hama, Homs etc. were all hotbeds of anti regime forces. Now we wait and see what will happen when the dust settles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭Field east


    Are you forgetting the MINOR MATTERS re the following :-

    (1) refugees trying to get to Europe as a result of wars, strict rules in those areas,etc

    (2) will it impact on cost of living re more expensive imports.

    (3) there is ABSOLUTLY no reason why 7/11 or equivalent will not happen again. The Islamic mindset - at least amongst the more radical groups- is VERY , VERY different from the western/European / American mindset. Remember the concept of suicide bombers, 40 virgins waiting in heaven , sleeper units , etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭jmreire


    More info on the Russian withdrawal from Syria:

    Several Russian milbloggers report that a number of Russian soldiers were left behind at operating bases around Syria, and are now cut off and surrounded by rebels. Russia appears to have abandoned them in its chaotic withdrawal.

    Taken from OSINT post on X. SOP for Russia.



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