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The End of Assad? Syrian Rebels enter the outskirts of Aleppo for the first time since 2016

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,186 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I thought Assad was relatively non religious. He spent a lot of time in London, and his wife grew up there. I wouldn't have thought an Islamic country would be their cup of tea for either of them - am I wrong on that?

    (Of course he may not have a choice, longer term, but I'm surprised you think he'd be "more at home" there. But I don't actually know, TBH)

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,939 ✭✭✭donaghs


    I can imagine Michael D re-using his partial defence of the guys who committed the 2022 Nigerian Church massacre, for the Assads this time: condemning "any attempt to scapegoat pastoral peoples who are among the foremost victims of the consequences of climate change".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,389 ✭✭✭✭briany


    There's no way I can see the territory of Syria become a stable and peaceful entity in anything like the short term. I really hope I'm wrong on that, but the way I see it, HTS will at least look to extend its control across the entire territory and that will invariably entail more bloody fighting.

    Not sure the Kurds in the north of the country are sleeping too easy right now, considering a renewed effort to target them will most likely take place and noises from Trump's camp say that Syria is not the US's war to wage, so they may see their support dry up, there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Because between his 5'' nothing and Russian would be revolutionaries are his own private army. Officially its named as being dedicated to Protection of the President of Russia and its paid for out of the Russian budget. But realistically, its Putins private army and so doesn't cost Putin a single ruble. Plus, he has many layers of underlings whose health and wellbeing are entirely dependent on Putin's health and wellbeing. Whoever takes Putin out, will have to have his own private army, or be a very high military rank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭jmreire


    No, despite the fact that Assad is gone, Syria is now heading for a period of uncertainity / instability. Until the situation settles down, then maybe its possible to return



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    This is the final death throw of the dream of a united socialist Arab world. I'd imagine the Ba'ath part is now also kaput.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭jmreire


    While I was there, the women (in the cities anyway) both secular and Muslim dressed as fashionable as their western counterparts, side by side with Muslim women dressed in full Burka mode, covered from head to toe. So pretty liberal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Russian bases and diplomatic buildings granted safety in Syria. Early days still.

    tass.jpg

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'd be a little cautious about an immediate return of Syrians to their homes. Have to wait and see how the new government will work out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭CPTM


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭CPTM


    Sorry I was responding to this

    Just noting that RTE probably only interviewed those that are out celebrating. Anyone who feels differently about it were probably not around for us to get a balanced view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,913 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I’m kind of wondering if the Russians consider giving Assad asylum to be of any practical use to them. It’s very unlikely they he could head a realistic government-in-exile that has a shot of returning, nor is he actively useful for anything else.

    My guess is that the Russians want to be seen to shelter their allied dictator at the end of the day, as a message to all of the various tin-pot dictatorships that cosy up to Russia. An attempt to not spook them away from supporting Russia, to give the impression that if things go to hell; they’ll get a rescue flight to Moscow for them, their family, and the national treasury they pilfered on the way out.

    Long term I do also imagine him quitting Russia to an Islamic country. My guess would be either Iran or the UAE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    They might get to keep them if they send Assad back to Syria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I sure as hell wouldn't like to be the one trying to sell the idea of Russians returning to Syria under any guise, that's one point that all the factions will be in agreement with. Like in Ukraine with their murderous destruction, the Russians are hated, same as with Assad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    " The Assad regime's annual fenethylline revenues were estimated to have been worth US$57 billion in 2022, about three times the total trade of all Mexican drug barons."

    Captagon is a popular drug it seems in the middle East.

    Going to be a lot of cranky strung out Arabs in the region, and some country is going to become a crack factory to fill the gap.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Rain from the West


    Thinking of Moscow Mick and Kremlin Clare tonight. Rejected by the electorate, now their buddy Assad is gone. Imagine if the Mad Mullahs got the boot in Tehran, they’d be running out of causes to support.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Might be good news for Ukraine. That’s the only positive I can take from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,012 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    This is another consequence of Ukraine war.

    No doubt if Russia wasn't bogged down in Ukraine, Assad would still be in power.

    Nothing beats Putin constantly losing, what a major fail



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭amandstu




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    In case you dont know Asad met with Putin and Erdo just before offensive started. The way and a pace the things went suggest they made some sort of a deal.

    Erdo is gearing for war with Kurds and Turkish army is pouring in Syria. It is most likely that Israel extend their Golan heights holdings as they are moving deeper in Syria too. Syria is toast, Israel is taking some, Turkey is taking quite a chunk and it seems that Tartus and Lakatia provinces will become some Russian protectorate. Rest of the country will become IS 2.0

    It will be interesting to see who gets oil which is currently under "US protection".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    Not only does Assad have Snowden for company. But now he will probably join the exclusive of club of former rulers at the Town of Barvikha.

    The exclusive lists includes Viktor Yanukovych [Ukraine], Askar Akayev [Kyrgyzstan] and Aslan Abashidze [Georgia].

    They even host the family of Slobodan Milošević

    A Real whose who of deposed leaders from the Russian Sphere of influence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,290 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    It's a kick in the pants for the Russians if they have to get out, and a complete embarrassment for Putin for being the one responsible for losing an important foothold in Syria that they've had for over fifty years starting in Soviet times. If he hadn't been so stupid as to think that taking Ukraine was going to easy-peasy he wouldn't have overstretched resources for three years, resulting in Syrian rebels getting the upper hand because the Russians were busy murdering people elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Sounds like a scrap yard for dictator parts.

    I need a kidney from a vintage non ideological authoritarian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Syria acting as a distraction from Ukraine and not pulling their soldiers and equipment from Syria to the front lines in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'm not so sure that the Russians had access to or rights to Tartous port or the airbase at Khmeimim continuously since Soviet times. To the best of my knowledge, Assad gave full use of Tartous and Khmeimim airbase only in 2015, as part of the deal for his military help in defeating the rebels.I could be wrong here, but I seem to remember an article at the time laying out the conditions for Putins involvement in the Syrian war. At the time, it was hailed as a great achievement by the Russians, that at long last, they had gained a foothold in the Mediterranean. And it was from that point onwards, with Russian help, the tide turned in Assads favour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭jmreire


    You could well be right…but while he's useful to Putin, Assad will remain in Russia, whether he likes it or not..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭jmreire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,371 ✭✭✭Economics101




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Forgot about that useful idiot, haven’t seen him pop up spouting nonsense in a while.



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