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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Putin not even deeming Tucker important enough to subject him to alternative reality lectures about the 9th century

    Oh how the mighty have fallen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭Deub


    I What do you think about Russia actions in this conflict ?

    Strangely, you never give details on the country that started the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Its the Sudetenland argument about Russian speakers/German speakers being oppressed and Russia/Nazi Germany 'saving them'. Its a lie by Lavrov and we should stop giving it airtime. And Hitler, when given the Sudetenland after broke security guarantees by France to Czechoslovakia, wrote "this is my last territorial demand in Europe".

    Zelensky himself is a Russian speaker until he was 40 so I dont buy that argument.

    Hitler then met with Josef Tiso, the Slovak leader, and told him to demand German intervention in Czechoslovakia. If he refused, Slovakia would be occupied and given to Hungary, Slovakia's former rulers with which they then had bad relations. So Tiso agreed to ask Nazi Germany for "help" for imagined repression, despite Tiso originally telling Hitler they didnt want to leave Czechoslovakia. Hitler told them that if they agreed to his demands, Slovakia could have independence an no occupation. Thats what happened but Slovakia was really a client state of Nazi Germany, just as the DPR and LPR were before annexation by Russia.

    It would be like Britain trying to dictate English language policy in Ireland after independence. It's none of their business nor do they claim it to be.

    Russias demands extend far beyond Ukraine and change depending on the audience. On State TV, Olga Skabaeva said Russia should reach the Polish border. At the start of the war a Russian general said one of their goals was a land bridge to Transnistria, the breakaway enclave in Moldova.

    There's also subtle pressure on Kazakhstan, with Putin referring to it as a "Russian speaking country". In the past he has called it "part of the Russian world", and tried unsuccessfully to award the President of Kazakhstan the "Alexander Nevsky" medal (this was televised and he refused).

    Belarus is little more than a puppet-state of Russia now. Georgia also though the people are resisting it fiercely.

    Olaf Scholz told the German parliament a few days ago that there are Kremlin officials who do not believe the mutual defence provision (Article 5) of NATO would be enforced if Russia attacked and are considering some sort of attack on NATO in the years ahead.

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,641 ✭✭✭zv2


    Russians don't do reality, they invent it as they go along.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    The Ukrainians can get very innovative

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,641 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    re last paragraph

    I wonder why Russians would get ideas like that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭Anjunadeep


    What basic human rights were Ukraine not respecting? Source please.

    Have yet to see any evidence of this.. Yeah the same line is thrown around again and again.

    And how were Ukraine denying them 'the right of self determination'?

    Interesting that if they are in fact being treated as poorly as you make out, that they rather stay in Ukraine than move to Russia where they would be surrounded by ethnic Russians which share their values and 'notions'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Russians who have :

    • eradicated all the Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine
    • and turned their cities to rubble
    • Kidnapped their kids for sexual trafficking to Chechens
    • Gangpressed their young lads into human meat waves
    • Disappeared their friends on concentration camps
    • made anyone left alive refugees

    complaining about human rights it’s the height of hilarity

    Their hypocritical supporters and and manure peddlers on other hand are just plain sad

    Especially when they insinuate that there is a conspiracy to force Ukrainians by the dastardly westerners to die

    Nothing to do with genocide (that word they love to use in parallel threads but somehow don’t acknowledge here) and Putin wanting and publicly stating he wants to erase Ukraine and Ukrainians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    @Sand

    Let’s play wheres wally Russian speakers

    Russian Speaker City #1

    IMG_5549.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,901 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    if only tucker had the balls to ask actually provocative questions and push the Russians for answers rather than appease them and trumpet the America did this that and the other mantra.

    I haven’t watched the lavrov one but if it’s anything like the Putin one then **** wasting energy on that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    He's singing from the hymn sheet provided to him by his paymasters,Nothing more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And when / and if Ukraine regains currently occupied territories, the world is going to be equally horrified by the number of Ukrainians that the Russians have killed and buried in unmarked graves… Men, Women and Children. Remember the mobile crematoriums' the Russian had in their invasion convoys? And the satellite images showing Russians using bull dozers to demolish buildings, burying the bodies underneath?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    Americans are almost always entirely transfixed by their 2 party politics. They see everything through their preferred red or blue glasses. Including foreign politics.

    No matter how incompatible the issue is with their own domestic soap-opera theyll try to draw parallels for the purpose of beating their rival team back home. Foreign issues are only tools with which to beat the dems/reps.

    My team would have done better. That politician has policies which line up with rep/dem policy therefore he's the good/bad guy.

    Because dems/reps have a policy i dont like, so that makes dems/reps bad, which makes that foreign politician good/bad. And thats how ill draw my conclusion on this foreign issue. On the basis of whether a politician is more trump or biden.

    Foreign conflicts is where they go when theyre otherwise bored/defeated/tired of screeching at the other side about obamacare or the mexican border.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,229 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Not saying it was Russia, but it was Russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Reality beginning to hit home in Damascus

    Lot of rightly worried people at the moment.

    No word yet on evacuation of Russian forces from Syria just yet.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Remember the mobile crematoriums' the Russian had in their invasion convoys?

    Yes, I do remember those pictures of mobile crematoriums which were spread by the media back in April 2022. Except those pictures of mobile crematoriums were shown to be disinformation. France 24 did an investigation in their Truth or Fake show.

    The image of the "Russian mobile crematorium" that was sent around the world was actually reversed images taken from a video made in 2013 (prior to any conflict) about testing of a tool to incinerate biological waste. Funnily enough the same images were used in a similar disinformation claim in 2015. And then were dug up and re-used again in 2022.

    I'm afraid that story you believe was disinformation, fake news. Ukraine has every right to churn out as much propaganda as it can. It owes no one the truth. But its still disinformation, like a lot of Ukrainian accounts of the conflict.

    The reality is the vast majority of separatist militias between 2014 and 2022 were people who came from within Ukraine's 1991 borders. Even through 2022 and early 2023, a very large portion of the "Russians" fighting were drawn from the Donbass.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,641 ✭✭✭zv2


    The got those ideas because the west are arch back-downers. They have been emboldened.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    @Sand

    Lavrov on the tucker interview made it clear that Russia wants all of the 4 oblasts including Kherson city which they lost

    There are daily reports including drone footage from Russians themselves of Russians deliberately dropping explosives at Russian speakers in Kherson and hence commuting war crimes and abusing their human rights

    Can you confer with BlyatGPT and provide your spin on this sick Russian sport in light of Lavrov’s remarks on Tuckers interview?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    "… were drawn from …" - that's a lovely euphemism for forced to fight against their fellow countrymen. You're right to put "Russians" in quotation marks, though - their Russian passports counted for nothing when any of them decided to relocate to the Kremlin side of the border.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,881 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    IMG_5550.jpeg

    Paris

    Note the smiles and choice of tie colours



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Yeah, I'm sorry about that. Happened a few times now, not sure why.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,641 ✭✭✭zv2


    @Sand "The reality is the vast majority of separatist militias between 2014 and 2022 were people who came from within Ukraine's 1991 borders. Even through 2022 and early 2023, a very large portion of the "Russians" fighting were drawn from the Donbass."

    Meh…(not trying to 'shut you up', just sayin…)

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Ooooh, Donald - you know you'd be thrown in prison for wearing that colour combination in Moscow, don't you?

    Untitled Image

    If anything's going to shift Trump's opinion on the conflict, I'd say it'd be the events in Syria. Even if he's blaming Obama (???) the very fact that Putin is literally unable to do anything to help Assad, and that Russia's troops have been forced out of Syria at a run, makes Putin a genuine loser. And Trump hates to be associated with losers.

    I reckon it'd only take one more Kremlin-sponsored regime to fall - Georgia maybe - and Trump will decide to hitch his wagon to the Ukrainian horse.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Forced by who? The militias that fought the Ukrainians between 2014 and 2022 were formed from protest groups who objected to their democratically elected government being violently overthrown by people who have a deep interest and affinity in 1930s-1940s political movements. Initially they wanted their rights guaranteed, and some degree of autonomy. Rather than negotiate, the new regime reacted by launching an "Anti-Terrorist Operation" and burning protestors alive in Odessa.

    At that point, no one forced them to do anything. It was clear they had to organise to defend themselves from the new regime and they did like separatist groups have down throughout history. If you give people no choice except to fight, they'll fight.



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