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The End of Assad? Syrian Rebels enter the outskirts of Aleppo for the first time since 2016

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Russians have told their citizens in Damascus to leave asap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    I think that's a questionable source and said the same almost word for word a couple of days ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,833 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Russians are not confident they can hold this one.

    Rebel advances continue despite other claims..

    There is also evidence of SAA heading to Damascus to create a defensive line outside the city. This looks likely to either be a final stand or counter attack

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Jordan has closed one of its border crossings with Syria.

    A few flags are starting to pop up to the South of Damascus.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭Homelander


    The extent of collapse is mind boggling.

    The SAA has the means to contest these advances, it is just chosing not to bother and disappearing, leaving entire cities to fall with negligible casualties.

    Would love to be a fly on the walls in the corridors of Damascus, not to mention what Putin makes of all this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    I'm astounded by what they are leaving behind as they retreat. Some of the most valuable equipment that the SAA has on paper. Think we will get to the stage where individual units start to move out of the path of advance, together with some deciding to ditch their uniforms and blend into the populace.

    Will be fascinating to see what happens after Homs. Will their be a defensive line created or have the regime seen the writing on the wall so as to speak?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    The Druze have given the regime 24 hours to fook right off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,833 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    On this, looks like all sides now have the scent of death on the Assad regime. Popular uprising taking place in the South

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The currency has collapsed over the last year, so even loyal soldiers are finding that the paycheck doesn't cover whatbut used.

    I'd say that the main concern now is flying out valuables to Moscow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,833 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Translation: we are too fcuked to help.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    This has happened so fast even if with hindsight it makes a lot of sense with all Assad's key allies caught up in wars of their own and severely weakened.

    Would love to see the evil bast*rd toppled but fear the country will also descend into chaos and maybe another civil war, too many factions with different aims beyond the removal of the regime, could be an Iraq situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,085 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Its been shocking in the sense no one saw the actual attack coming but the swift collapse of the retreating army is kinda following the usual patterns. Those patterns would also suggest some sort of last ditch defense of Damascus won't work.

    I suppose it shows just how much of an impact Russia had in Syria and another example of the effect the prolonged war in Ukraine is having on Russia's allies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,833 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    As mentioned earlier, more and more regime forces are retreating towards the capital.

    Will they defend or defect?

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,833 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    What we think?

    Maybe a deal was done - take Syria, but leave out forces alone?

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,833 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Edit: link broken. Will find another.

    Post edited by TheValeyard on

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Russia are going to try and cut some sort of deal and try and have some say in future negotiations. Could that mean double crossing Assad (even after maybe giving him safe passage), I certainly think so. It will be very interesting to see how much weight they are given.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭Rawr


    They’d totally double-cross Assad if it seemed useful to them. At the moment I can imagine the Kremlin seeing Assad as a feckless liability. They might not even bother with the effort of evacuating him, given the trouble they’re having just getting their own stuff out.

    He might manage to get out and go into exile in Russia, but I imagine him having to fix that himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,991 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    There was an uprising against them where insurgents took over the grand mosque

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_seizure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    The Saudis are rich enough to buy off the disgruntled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    It's not really that surprising.

    Syria's GDP was $4,000 per capita before the civil war started in 2011. Today GDP is just over $400 as Syria itself is now totally wrecked. With Russia and Iran pre-occupied elsewhere and Syria hollowed out economically and militarily, it's not going to take much for other foreign powers with deep pockets to exploit the situation. That's exactly what's happened here.

    It's all over for Assad, his regime just doesn't have the strength to come back from this. There's no one going to step in with the manpower, the money, or the guns to prop him up. The only question now is what happens next. History would suggest we'll get a bloody and violent civil war. Europe would probably need to prepare itself for a fresh wave of refugees. A grim situation all round.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    He really is fooked, and the news gets worse hourly, will he make Christmas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    In terms of allies, you are leaving out Hezbollah. Which has just been effectively maimed in the last few months. They might have represented a source of fighters in a neighbouring state. Not after the destruction wrought by the IDF. One commentator suggested the rebel offensive had been planned for earlier in the year but was postponed due to the Israeli action.

    In terms of economics, it's quite true that Syria was never an economic powerhouse. There is also the fact that the average Syrian might have seen less bloodshed in the last few years. However the economy has not improved for them since the ceasefires in 2020. Sanctions play a key role here. May have been a factor for the degree of soft support for the rebels seen the last few weeks. If the current government provides such a poor standard of living, they may chose to give the opposition a chance.

    The pessimistic view would suggest another conflict is extremely likely. Hopefully enough of the external actors lean on their respective allied parties to moderate their behaviour. The optimistic view is their is enough fatigue from nearly a decade and a half of bloodshed to try to tone down the violence. Possibly some federation type model perhaps. Time till tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,833 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Quotes that they have fled Syria.

    Might be to get the Russian Christmas presents as well.

    Risky move if so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Heard this repeatedly in 2011.

    I won't believe until I see actual footage of the Assad family arriving in Moscow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    They might end up in Iran instead. It is the most dangerous for Assad since 2011.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,165 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Daraa was where it began in that region. Some schoolkids sprayed anti-Assad graffiti the walls, The police collected the school kids responsible and took them to jail, where they were badly tortured, or even killed, before being returned. The Police then told the parents that the women must come to the police when the wanted to have children, and the Police would give them children that would be loyal to Assad. Daraa was one of the last enclaves left for the anti-regime factions to hold onto, before they reached an agreement that they would allow them to leave under escort to Idlib. When I was there, it was hard to find a complete, or even half a building intact, with helicopters dropping barrel bombs and Russian planes bombing them frequently. How they survived, men, women and Children, is nothing short of a miracle. But it will not come to me as any surprise to me, when HTS take control in Daraa.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,165 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The nearer they get to Damascus and the coast, the more resistance they will meet. Thats where Assad's power base mainly comes from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    the best outcome for all.

    How long would the Jihadis tolerate an alawite/ Christian state and a druze state which would quickly outperform their Islamoshi6hole state

    Hopefully Israel would provide cover to two other potential democracies or at least ones that would be far more open than most others in that forsaken region.

    The Kurds would have all attacking, sadly



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,185 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    That's not quite correct. The Grand Mosque in Mecca was attacked in 1979 and the regime came close to falling.

    Also, in the early 2000s there was a spate of so-called "gang warfare" in which BBC reporter Frank Gardner was shot at a traffic light and left paralysed, and his Irish cameraman was killed. It was later admitted that it was in fact Al Qaeda who were operating within Saudi - but I think that was only because once two respected journalists had been killed it was impossible to keep the open secret going (previously those killed had been smeared by the Saudi government as having fallen foul of dealers selling them illegal alcohol or drugs).

    (There may well have been other events that I've forgotten or never heard about in the first place.)

    So basically I think it's more about the iron grip of the Saudi regime on their citizens - they also simply have a lot more money with which to ensure the stability of their regime than Assad and similar who are bound to be affected by international sanctions etc.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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