Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

Nobody also mentioned as election issue what they done with roads yet 9 out of 10 people who are driving are pretty pi$$ed about sparsely used cycling highways they put up everywhere. To say that bottle magic part was small because you did not hear complaints in the media is what you wish to be true.

If not DRS, what did turn voters off the Greens? Posters here are somehow quantifying it's effect as small but i would think that voters would be turned off by Green policies that they implemented in the last dail, one of which DRS, and policies they hoped to implement in the next one if they had got in. I think that any policies that cost voters time or money would cause dislike for the Greens.

The GPs if they want to return as an effective party will have consider how schemes like DRS have damaged their party.

Was over in the U.K. on the ferry last week, so on the way home stopped into Asda in Holyhead and stocked up on cans of Coke and the little Fruit Shoots the young lad loves…

Each can/bottle will still be recycled, just in my own green bin, just as they were before, while the State loses out on the VAT…

I'd often be up North or close to the border (only live 55 minutes away), so will always just buy up there now and recycle as normal. (still have some cans in teh fridge from my last trip up).

So that's what this scheme has resulted in…. me buying certain products in another country to avoid having to hoard empty/sticky cans/bottles in my kitchen…

anytime I ever did drink Heineken, I could only ever drink the real (5%) version that’s available literally anywhere in the world…

The Irish (4.3%) version is heartburn inducing pi$$ wa$$er

Nobody who voted Green in 2020 changed their mind in 2024 because of DRS.

Plenty of people who have never voted for the Greens have moaned and groaned about DRS since it came in and said they wouldn't vote for the party they never voted for before.

Wow. Now Re-Turn fanatics won't concede that it cost the Greens 1 vote. Not even 1. That's mind blowing.

Well i think they would know what they were voting for after dealing with the time and effort involved in recycling through the DRS.

Maybe they didn't really. Especially beyond first preference votes.

But a lot of people who voted for this "bland European Green party" stopped doing so, both first preference voters and transfer voters.

So it is plausible to suggest the manner of the DRS scheme here and the issues in its rollout had a negative impact on GP votes, among other factors.

Well I think its fair to have assumed you meant Europe as in the EU here:

bland European Green initiative

I'd be interested to see Ossian's election promises from 2020.

I dont think we're going to agree that if someone voted for the Greens in 2020 and wasnt impressed with Re-Turn it's the voter's fault for not knowing or being able to predict what the Greens are about.

https://www.greenparty.ie/sites/default/files/2022-03/GREEN_PARTY_TOWARDS_2030-WEB-VERSION.pdf

"We propose the immediate implementation of our Waste Reduction Bill to reduce the use of single use plastics and provide a nationwide deposit and return scheme for beverage containers."

This is what the Greens promised in 2020. That is what they delivered.

I originally said that "Nobody who voted Green in 2020 changed their mind in 2024 because of DRS."

I should have said that "Nobody who voted Green in 2020 changed their mind in 2024 because of DRS, unless they were too stupid to know what they were voting for in 2020" but I didn't want to point the last bit out. Unfortunately, it seems that some wanted to point it out for themselves.

And in 2020:

Did they propose a botched rollout with confusion about what was and wasn't in scope, people being charged deposits on ineligible items?

Did they propose a scheme with unreliable machines?

Did they propose a scheme with retailers giving them a huge exemption size, far larger than in the countries that were continually pointed to as examples of a working scheme?

Did they propose a scheme where deposits could only be returned in stores?

Why propose a scheme without RVMs are council depots? Why no bulk machines?

Were they "too stupid" (your words) to know that all of that would needlessly **** off people on the fence about DRS or who might be generally disposed to it?

Exactly. I live a few doors down from a small shop and a coffee shop. My front garden frequently has rubbish thrown into it through our hedge. Cans, bottles, coffee cups, crisp packets etc. There has been no reduction in the amount of plastic bottles and cans entering into my garden from litterers since the introduction of this scheme.

You could also argue it's the Green's fault for not keeping voters happy or predicting how they would respond to Re-Turn.

Is it reasonable to expect Green voters in 2020 to predict how anti-customer and anti-shop staff Ireland's implementation of a DRS would turn out to be?

Maybe Ossian's next interview will be:

Interviewer: "So Ossian what do you think cost you and your party seats?"

Ossian: "People who voted for us last time were too thick to predict what we'd do after the last election. It's their fault. Not ours"

While frantically waving 3 disposable vapes about in each hand.

Interviewer: "Err… ok".

The desperation to blame DRS for the Greens losing votes, is only matched by the desperation to blame DRS for price increases. Not a shred of evidence for either.

All those lost Green votes a mystery.

Not a shred of evidence of explanation as to where they went. Nothing to do with DRS. Not one vote, no sir.

Maybe the ballots got lost.

As for price increases, is it "only matched by the desperation" (your words) to misrepresent the CPI as being applicable to the type of increases that could be associated with DRS especially in relation to size and price of multipacks, withdrawal of items from the market etc
Or did you forget you haven't provided a shred of evidence for its applicability either?