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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,330 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Do you think the taxes will be scrapped when the new government forms? If not why not? Keep in mind all sitting TDs were in agreement with carbon taxes when introduced and the greens weren't in power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


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    Notice the difference between nuclear European countries and ones that bought into Green snake oil in the actual co2 output



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    My EV is consuming 21kWh per 100km in this cold weather at an average 34kmph.

    These EVs really do put strain on the grid in cold weather.

    The continental climate does what the continental climate does i.e. warm summers, cold dark winters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    So Finland has a higher % of low carbon and renewables than France but the physical amount of carbon emitted is higher? I'm not sure how wind, hydro and solar give off more emissions than Nuclear. Are those figures sponsored by the nuclear industry by any chance?

    France electricity sector breakdown

    • Nuclear - 70%
    • Hydro - 11%
    • Wind - 6%
    • Solar ~ 2%
    • Other Fossil - 21%

    Finland electricity sector breakdown

    • Hydro - 19%  
    • Wind - 18%
    • Solar - <1%  
    • Nuclear - 41%
    • Other Fossil - 21%

    They have roughly the same amount of polluting fossil fuel electricity supply yet Finland is almost 50% more than France?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Those figures could be from before Finland opened that new large reactor

    Don’t forget that EU counts burning wood as “low carbon” something Finland does plenty of

    Either way there’s a massive difference between states that have nuclear power in CO2 emissions and those who bought into green snake oil

    And today is particularly windy day to boot here in Ireland, and still the 7000mw of wind we installed only managing to produce half of that!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Yeh looks like Finland has as windy day as Ireland today but their nuclear and hydro and biomass being their CO2 emissions way down while we burn gas and coal to backup unreliable wind

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Could that be because we built windfarms in different parts of the country instead of in one location and only the turbines in the windy parts of our country are operating?

    The theory of unreliable wind doesn't really work in Ireland haha!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Generally agree, just to highlight that wind, hydro and solar electrical generation are a small fraction of the islands energy needs. Globally the bulk of renewable electricity generation is hydro, wind and solar % of that 30 is ~10%. In Ireland hydro is tapped out, scaling wind and solar is problematic and expensive.

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    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Sweden, another European country paying no attention to green extremists and their 1980s ideology which has no place in 2020 of one subscribes to “we must reduce CO2” line

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/sweden-plans-new-nuclear-reactors-by-2035-can-take-costs-2023-11-16/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,269 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Why haven’t FFG changed the law?
    They couldn’t as GP would pull the plug on the government.

    However they have the chance of doing the right thing now wouldn’t you agree?
    As you say we shouldn’t be dependent on any other country for power and as you agree we need gas for our energy needs.

    I’m not sure what your argument is tbh as this is what I believe myself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I don't think FFG have any plans to change the law for a worse environment or less climate action. With or without the greens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,269 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Of course not, but they will more than likely see sense and realise it’s not a good idea to depend on a non EU nation for the gas we need to keep the lights on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Hopefully FFG remove all of the additions to building standards added on environmental grounds

    And make them optional

    That way those who need houses get them faster and for cheaper, and instead any BER improvements happen later as those home owners can afford to do so once on the ladder

    Instead of front loading the costs onto first time buyers who can only borrow so much and are being priced out by new homes increasing in price due to all the extras that need to be added



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Most ridiculous statement yet. Why not bring back materials like mica, pyrite and asbestos while we're at it?

    The building regs are there to make sure that your precious first time buyers don't get lumped with stupid debt in the future. If we had less building regs the houses would cost the same only difference is the builders would pocket the difference and bounce the country before any redress is needed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    No need to hyperbole

    People build and lived in homes in this country that didn’t have solar panels or triple glazing with open fireplaces

    Young people ask “how did that generation afford homes when they were my age”

    The answer is often that we had much smaller homes without much in way of “features” to brag about

    I suspect those living in hotels or expensive rentals rather have any home than no home



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,577 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    But if the builders are going to charge the same for the old style home as one that has followed the current regs where's the savings for the buyer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    It does happen on occasion that there is no wind across the entire island for several hours at a time. (~6000MW generation capacity x 0 = 0) Worse, in those conditions wind turbines become a draw on the power grid. It is usually the case, the weather system that brings about those conditions sits over the entire British isles. For electrical grids to work reliably supply generation must meet demand at all times. Unreliable non-synchronous generation introduce additional balancing costs, constraint payments and costs for standby generation, all that ends up on our electricity bills.

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    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,526 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    With the power requirements of AI and cloud storage not to mention coins, can Ireland support these industries without introducing nuclear power?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,350 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This is what I was talking about.

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    The Apple windfall was 13B, this potential fine is that and 50% more again.

    How do people suggest Ireland achieves the reductions required? Now that the Greens are gone, there's no one to pass the buck to. Although, they might be encouraged back in 2029 to pretend something is being done to try to hold off the fine being issued.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,631 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It doesn`t appear as if the Greens were the only party of the left with not much to sell to the electorate. The combined vote of the parties of the left going into this election (SF, Labour, SD`s, Greens and SPBP) was 62. In a Dail now of 174 rather than the 160 of 2020 they have 61 seats.

    I would see it as inevitable at this stage that it will be a FF, FG, Inde government. Chambers of FF may have a good poker face that doesn`t give away much, but on the Upfront with Katie Hannon show when young Marie Sherlock of Labour on her first day as a T.D. cut lose with her car wreck statement even he could not hide the "We do not need this **** for the next 5 years".

    FG never looked that happy with much of the Greens agenda, and while choir boy Martin may have notions between the members of his own party who were never that keen on the greens agenda, and the Indies now being the tail of the dog I cannot see any notion he has getting much traction. Especially any of them rural related.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yes

    But with renewables you're not guaranteed that they will always be available so for every GWh that the data centre requires you need to have multiples that available on the system to maintain a continuous flow of electrons. I would include battery/hydrogen storage in that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,631 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I remember 10 years ago posters on this forum and the then government telling us the massive fines that were coming our way from the E.U. if we didn`t introduce water charges, and I have yet to see them.

    The E.U. is not going to achieve their emissions targets so it would be a bit hypocritical for them to go after us for not achieving ours. In fact if the E.U. stop playing the "biomass is carbon neutral game" from which the get 60% of their energy, they are worse off than we are on emissions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    those builders be undercut and put out of business by competitors

    If all builders agree not lower prices then they get caught for running a criminal cartel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Not coming to Ireland. AI compute nodes are starting to be deployed at scale in Scandinavian countries, where there is available power. Compared to the USA there is little commercial AI activity from European companies, there are 2 reasons, cost of and lack of available electrical power, combined with EU regulations. EU regulated AI, strangling development before companies even got started in the zone.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Yet another success for our Green Luddite friends

    Drive away technologies and jobs that can bring in jobs and taxes to pay for all their hot air schemes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    What is the cost benefit analysis of hosting AI compute here? Perhaps when firms are prepared to build and finance the power infrastructure themselves, there could be an argument for it in Ireland. Even in the United States, there is lack of sufficient power generation and tech firms have started a nuclear power generation renaissance. Another aspect to consider, there is a bubble element to AI, CEOs have discovered if they spin an AI story, their share price goes up along with their compensation, once that hype dies down and the market starts questioning return on investment, the bubble bursts and the CEOs need to find another story to spin.

    Better for Ireland Inc, to focus on building companies that can use all that compute power to do something worthwhile with AI.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Argument is simple

    jobs and taxes being paid here is better for us than those jobs and taxes being paid elsewhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,631 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Finland per person consumes over twice the KWh/year of France.

    14,747 compared to Frances 6,638. (Source International Energy Agency)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    They have a lot of heavy industries like shipbuilding (and a much colder climate)

    Something little Ireland could learn from a country of similar population size

    But we too busy driving away businesses



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