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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭thamus doku


    3 inexperienced 10s. This is not true and when you read it you must admit it sounds silly to call Crowley and Frawley inexperienced.
    but I get that must be the narrative to justify and defend sexton being involved.

    Sextons role is as a backs coach and mark my words nothing good will come of it. I said this when he got the job, I don’t personally know sexton but I have worked with people like him and they are not good at managing people or to use your words “mentoring”.
    People who see themselves as alphas are actually too disliked to manage or coach anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,562 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I doubt there's any momentum coming from an autumn series to a 6Ns.

    There's players missing , new players introduced brcy they're friendlies and there could be players unavailable for the 6Ns squad.

    At the end of the day, while playing poorly we won 3 from 4.

    Before the set of games, I think, the 3 we won were seen as safe bets, perhaps after our poor performance against the ABs that might have changed the other games to one safe bet and two we should probably win but win we did.

    With a new head coach, some slight change of player personnel the 6Ns is a reset for us. The game v England will be huge but is home for us so we should have enough to be beating them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    His role isn't backs coach. Nobody apart from you has claimed he is backs coach.

    Crowley has less than 20 caps for Ireland

    Leave you at it.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    I know middle age CEOs who have mentors, so the idea that sexton could be there to mentor anyone vying for the 10 role is not that unusual, to be honest.

    Not sure where the controversy over this is coming from, to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭thamus doku


    then what is his role? Please don’t say as a mentor because that can’t be a real thing.

    and if it is a real thing I would fully expect cian Healy Peter omahoney and Conor Murray to also made mentors when they retire.
    Why not get Rory best into mentor the hookers and big Malcom OKelly to mentor the locks.

    There is no such role as mentor, they are called coaches. Sexton is a backs coach.



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  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,571 ✭✭✭fitz


    That poster also seems completely ignorant of how the rest of the squad spoke of Sexton, and acted around him. There seemed to be no lack of genuine respect and affection towards him in the last couple of years of his career, tbh.

    Farrell has said he's working with players on defined things, like kicking. That could be from the tee and from hand - might not just be the 10s for that. Mentorship doesn't just have to be for the inexperienced, and anyone who thinks that doesn't understand me the value of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭thamus doku


    I have never heard of CEOs in the private sector worth their salt who have mentors. It would be seen as a weakness.
    CEOs can have people they trust in advisory roles but they advise they do not mentor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,054 ✭✭✭50HX


    @thamus doku

    Sexton was brought in to mentor/,assist/guide/advise the 10s that Farrell has chosen.

    It was revealed to be a one day a week role, he does have a job outside of that. He is not in a full time position with the IRFU....that may change in the further but this is the fact as of now

    You can't really claim we have experience at 10...seriously

    You don't like Sexton...we get it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭thamus doku


    why not have 15 mentors then , a mentor for everyone.
    because it would be completely stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,054 ✭✭✭50HX


    Because of the inexperience in that pivitol position.

    No other position in the team is as inexperienced by a country mile



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭thamus doku


    so sexton has been in the camp one day a week this autumn.
    Is this what you are telling me.
    Crowley and Frawley won the 6 nations and drew a South African tour, In what world do they need mentoring. I have never heard the likes of it.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,571 ✭✭✭fitz


    You probably think it was stupid having a dedicated kicking coach, or a sports psychologist available to players. Mentorship in the context of a team doesn't imply 1:1, I don't know what you're going on about with 15 mentors. Not taking advantage of Sextons knowledge and skill to help players that can benefit from it cause "mentorship bad and sign of weakness" is daft.

    I've worked in one of the biggest tech companies in the world, and seen senior leadership who are super effective, and in charge of budgets in the literal billions, who have mentors internally and externally to help them improve in areas they want to develop. You haven't a clue what you're talking about, tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭thehairygrape


    What will be really interesting is Farrell’s pick at 10 for the Lions. I presume Russell and Smith will be the first two. Does he go with SP or Crowley? Or am I missing someone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭thamus doku




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,054 ✭✭✭50HX


    He was in camp for a few days at the beginning of AI, he didn't travel to the camp in Portugal

    If he was that integral to the set up he'd surely be in Portugal to run plays & choose the starting 10 & decimate the overall confidence of those players as you claim seems to be the outcome of his presence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Sexton already put forward a case for a certain other Farrell

    I guess it depends on 6 nations now.

    Also on Farrell game plan, I doubt he will go into the Lions tour in the same mess Gatland went into the last one and no idea who or what he was going to play. Havng 3 differnet centre partnerships told its own story.

    Ireland have talked before about a senior leadership team which included Sexton, POM, Furlong etc

    At the moment the 3 10's would have nobody in the senior leadership team which I already tried to explain to you.

    You ignored and continued on this tangent, even after you admitted you have no idea about the situation. You also seem to be totally unaware that Sexton is working now, he is not an IRFU employee as I and others have pointed out.

    Next time if you want to post "facts" maybe do a little research first because a basic google would have told you that you are wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Sexton talked before about how kicking coachs had helped him.

    Just giving his experience to the 10's in the squad in terms of plays, reviewing games etc would be a huge help

    I know BOD was working with Ringrose before he retired and I think, could be wrong, afterwards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭thamus doku



    Exactly advisors in areas they do not know.
    no senior leadership needs mentoring in their own areas- if they did they would not be in a senior role.
    Crowley does not need a mentor to play 10, he won a 6 nations for God sake and if he does need mentoring then he is not ready to play for Ireland.
    he might need mentoring on how the forward pack operates and how his role interacts. He does not need sexton for that but maybe beirne and Dorris could help him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭thehairygrape


    Forgot about OF. I kinda discounted him really given he’s not playing for England. Not yet anyway.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Heard of Bill Gates? Or Mark Zuckerberg? Both openly talk about how having a mentor during their CEO tenure helped them immensely.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭thamus doku


    I get it , you won’t hear a thing against sexton.
    As for senior leadership , Crowley and Frawley won the 6 nations and drew a South African tour without sexton.
    sexton comes in as a mentor and suddenly Crowley and Frawley start playing within themselves.
    these are facts , please explain why sexton should be kept on as a mentor when he has made things worse not better.
    deal with that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    I had a mentor who once told me "when you're in a deep hole of your own making, then stop digging".

    Great advice, that.



  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The suggestion he can't comes from seeing he won't over and over again. Australia definitely saw that.

    And yea if you think this guy has 'good speed' or 'good athleticism' compared to recent top 10s at 21, you are welcome to that opinion. I don't see it.



  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Give me examples then.

    Recent, not veterans, not just returned from injury.

    I didn't suggest anything nefarious was going on, so maybe 'people' should learn to read.

    Edit; also joe molloy on his pod this week def thought it was an unusual choice.



  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Which again.. this is when he should be looking his MOST athletic.



  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sexton obviously shouldn't be involved. Its amateur hour as hell. He has literally not coached anyone. POC was a bad hire but at least he did SOME coaching.

    Stop giving jobs to guys because they were recently good players.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,571 ✭✭✭fitz


    I didn't say areas they do not know, I said areas they wanted to develop. The most successful lean into and develop their strengths, and don't assume others can't help them in doing so. As I said, you fundamentally don't understand this stuff...either that or you're just not arguing in good faith. Either way, I'm done replying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,562 ✭✭✭✭phog


    In the interest of balance where only Crowley's errors from an earlier match was highlighted here's an independent view of how things went after he was subbed on yesterday

    https://www.the42.ie/crowley-casey-ireland-6558913-Dec2024/?utm_source=shortlink



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,069 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Sexton hasn’t been given a job, he isn’t coaching anyone. Everyone knows this and it’s just more malicious targeting of Farrell.

    But even if he was… Crowley had a good Autumn after an early blip, Prendergast had a very promising introduction to test rugby. What’s the problem like? For all we know, Sexton had some advice for Crowley after the NZ game that helped him move on and getting Sexton to consult was a stroke of genius



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Are we questioning Sexton? or was anyone saying a bad word?

    A few posts back you said Sexton coming in was the end of Goodman, now you want Sexton out?

    What are you rambling about?



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