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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    I was specifically told the local elections had no reflection on the current election.

    Big changes were coming and the people of Ireland were fed up with immigration.

    Of course it was utter nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭DaithiMa




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Tell what to them?
    Right wingers who ran on anti immigration are losing or have lost.

    The main parties will have the most votes.

    Immigration wasn’t an important issue for most people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭babaracus


    If there was a referendum tomorrow asking whether we should cease to take any further asylum seekers and conduct mass deportations of existing failed asylum seekers it would pass by a cricket score. The continuous gaslighting of people by Suvi and your tag team partner MegaMan is just that. No one in their right mind would vote for some of the loons on the "far right". They are weirdos, many of whom are of the holy Catholic Ireland brigade. A centrist party, hard on immigration, crime and welfare dependency would make huge gains.

    There is no one to vote for at the moment for those who believe in the above.

    Mod: warned for being uncivil

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    I looked everywhere but could not find information on 'permission to leave' for asylum seekers. Under no circumstances should an asylum applicant be given permission or be allowed to return to the home nation they claim to be fleeing from. Asylum, leave to remain and refugee status all should have a time limit, and the reason for the application is should be monitored. People seeking asylum should not be allowed to remain indefinitely like the plethora of examples we have had over the years arrogantly promoted by the likes of Sorca Pollak, Kitty Holland, and the leftist pro-open border papers. These 'new to the parish' stories are something else. They openly tell you how they got to Europe, how they traveled across multiple EU countries after their asylum applications for asylum are denied, eventually making it to Ireland.

    Far, far too many are going home on holiday and returning to the place they supposedly fled from



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Right wing parties are growing in popularity in many countries across Europe.

    We are a decade or more behind on the immigration racket to them.

    We will eventually go in the same direction after we see all the issues that they have been through.

    Unfortunately we have no sensible party to stop the inevitable.

    The opposition are so bad that it is no surprise what the results were.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    The Greens, whose leader has been responsible for filling hotels, B and Bs and guesthouses up and down the country with AS and IPAs and taking billions out of the tourism economy are looking like being eviscerated. Even O'Gorman is in huge danger of losing his seat (fingers crossed).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,470 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Asylum seekers cannot leave the jurisdiction while their claim is being assessed.

    Ukrainians have temporary refugee status. Refugees have the same rights as anyone else living in the country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,169 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    As I got no reply from @MegamanBoo could someone else please answer how they are vetted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,694 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Madness why SF didn't go harder on the illegal immigration when you look at this from their supporters

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    RTE showing results of exit poll:

    40% of voters think immigration is overall a negative for Ireland.

    Almost 40% of FF and FG believe this, and around 70% of Aontu and independent Ireland voters.

    voters choosing FF and FG in spite of their immigration policy and not because of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,694 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Another interesting exit poll

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭donaghs


    I think for the moment people would prefer the mainstream parties to reform the immigration process.

    Rather than give the vote to the anti-immigration fringe parties/loons. But as you say if thing continue on for a few more years, we could end up like Italy/france/german politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,379 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Ireland has no real history of right wing politics though apart from FF, which was a sort of right wing Catholic conservative party under Dev. Most of the countries in western Europe where right wing parties are doing well now have a long history of right wing parties, even far right ones (Germany, Italy, NL, Belgium, France, Sweden, Denmark, Austria etc).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    It's all good, we didn't vote in lunatics so that means everybody is happy with us continuing as is, pile the scammers in everywhere - lets make sure we hit our target of 20000 a year going forward, hopefully we can give free houses to 10k of those each year and welfare for life and the rest can enjoy outdoor living in giant tented cities. The people have spoken according to the cheerleaders.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,470 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I guess voters are happy with the undertaking the government have made with regards to increasing the manpower and speeding up decisions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,379 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The target of your ire is now the Irish electorate themselves, not just the government, the opposition and the media?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭rodders999


    Never underestimate the power of a simpleton with a pencil inside a polling booth.

    Housing was deemed to be THE issue of this election, yet the same 2 parties that have been in power since forever, and have overseen the shambles that is the property market in this country have romped home and will one again form the next government.

    The biggest take away from this election is the lack of a credible opposition. Imagine what our youth, who we’ve forced out of the country in their droves, must be thinking looking in at those results tonight.

    Bending over for every illiterate spoofer who rocks up to scam the system while exporting our best and brightest around the globe.

    Disgusting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,220 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Some guy on VM1 saying immigration doesn't matter to the electorate.

    That's grand so, we will take him at his word and see what happens when between 15000 to 20000 arrive every year over the next 5 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    Well if it doesn't I'll be equally as critical of whoever continues to pursue this extremely well thought out and completely sustainable strategy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Immigration not an issue ,wait until it arrives on your doorstep



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    They are not vetted at all come in here from god knows where no background check and thrown into a hotel in your village



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,110 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Well, despite the disappointing high support for FG, at least the greens took a battering and hopefully O'Gorman falls short too.

    Eitherway, the result doesn't change anything, it won't stop me calling out bad policy, it won't stop me posting about the underhanded tactics used to force ipas centres on communities, it won't stop me saying the country is full or that our government needs to put Irish citizens first.

    The people have voted, and they voted to have more of the same. But we badly needed a better opposition to hold the government to account on the immigration issue amongst other things. We'll keep trucking on, because change will happen have faith.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    I think what many on here have discounted that two things can be true at once:

    (A) People recognise that the asylum seeker situation post-Covid and post-Ukraine has been badly handled and has opened up a wider rethinking of immigration in Ireland.

    but also..

    (B) People recognise the global context of an asylum and migration crisis that has been happening across the developed world since Covid and in Europe (since Ukraine) and realise it's not all down to domestic policy — it's a difficult situation to handle.

    In that context, people seemed happier to accept more centrist approaches of recognising that there is an issue and that balanced approaches are needed — instead of falling for the melodramatic alarmist stuff of politicians hating Ireland and being traitorous ghouls, or that "open borders" is actually a thing that anyone truly advocates.

    And yes, like anything we consume on the Internet, there are probably a few people on here who need to ask themselves why their understanding of "the people", espoused over the past 2 years, appears to not quite be in line with the reality — and maybe they have indeed been stuck in an echo chamber.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Quoting myself to show that what I predicted has happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    I have to say I’m extremely demoralised by the election result. For the first time I abandoned the centre and gave a protest vote to Aontu. I disagree with most of what they stand for (abortion and nationalism, in particular) but I hoped to be part of a surge that would get them 8-10% of the vote, signalling to the political system that there was appetite for a conservative immigration policy. Alas not. It’s incredible that forty percent of respondents to the Exit Poll believe immigration has been a net negative (I don’t think even I believe that) yet still the only party to run on a policy of curbing immigration got hardly any of the vote. (Unfortunately I think independents hoovered up some of that dissatisfaction.)

    But the problems of immigration won’t go away. The Greens may well be annihilated, but they like a phoenix from the ashes will rise again as climate change worsens. I expect the same of anti-immigration politics. I’ve lived abroad and seen the crime and ghettoisation that accompanies mass migration from developing countries. Once Irish people are confronted with the reality of it, our politics will swing in line with every other country that has experienced it. It’s just a shame that we couldn’t have recognised as a country the trajectory we’re on and mitigated some of the negatives before it was too late to do anything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Quoting yourself to justify your own bias. The reality is that this thread does not reflect the views of the vast majority of Irish people. The anti immigrant candidates have received little to no traction. People are more intelligent than they are given credit for in this thread. They realise that immigration is much more nuanced than some posters would have you believe.



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