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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    They're making about as much effort as they can while economically declining. This isn't a matter of will as people pretend, its a matter of capability. The UK, the French and the Germans just don't have the capability to massively re-arm whilst simultaneously cutting budgets for stuff voters actually want.

    For comparison, when the UK rearmed in the 1930s military spending went from 2.2% of GDP in 1933 to 6.9% of GDP in 1938. The increase was even larger than it seems relative to overall government spending - in 1933 total UK government spending - on all areas, not just military - was 26.8% of GDP. So by 1938, military spending alone was more than a quarter of what the entire UK government spent just 5 years before. To achieve a similar fiscal impact today, the UK would have to boost military spending to over 11% of GDP - increasing military spending 5-6 times over - in just 4-5 years.

    And that was in an era where the UK had easy access to natural resources and a huge industrial capacity. None of which is available today. So its fantasy to pretend its just a matter of wanting to do it badly enough.

    As for NATO troops being the next "game changer" in long, long, long, long list of supposed "game changers" - honestly, the Ukrainians are NATO trained, NATO equipped, NATO organised and led. Man for man, they're probably far more experienced and used to the conditions of fighting a near-peer war than NATO soldiers who have not faced an enemy with air and artillery superiority. And still, they're having a very bad time of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭yagan


    Russia has access to vast natural resources yet now they sending troops to the front on electric scooters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,529 ✭✭✭wassie


    And that was in an era where the UK had easy access to natural resources and a huge industrial capacity. None of which is available today. So its fantasy to pretend its just a matter of wanting to do it badly enough.

    Could you do a similar comparative analysis on UK navy vs Russian Navy?

    ….You might be disappointed.

    Hint: heres a start

    https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8175/CBP-8175.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭yagan


    I think it's been obvious since Putin sent up old Soviet era rust buckets that his fantasy of making Russia Great Again was entirely dependent on a massive surplus of old tech.

    Now 50$ grenades being dropped from middle isle drones are destroying multi million dollar tanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,795 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Ruble in freefall. Could end up with a total collapse like Germany in the 1920s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,550 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Honestly Sand, if it came down to NATO on the battlefield, it would all be over after the first wave of bombers and air superiority was established, after that it's goodnight to all the dumb bombs and artillery russia could muster.

    There's a reason russia only goes after non-NATO countries and apologises profusely if any of their dumb munitions veer off course towards a NATO country. russian army has immolated itself in front of the watching world and have become a laughing stock in military circles due to their meat grinder tactics and strengthened the value of NATO membership immensely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    … for countries in the immediate vicinity of russias borders.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Ukraine taking a pounding this morning. Seems electric and water are the targets

    https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-putin-latest-live-sky-news-12541713



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,196 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


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    2 year scale for Dollar/Ruble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭rogber


    One million people without power in Ukraine today after massive overnight attack. Cannot imagine the trauma these people are going through day after day for almost 3 years now.

    The West doing just enough to keep Ukraine in the game, never enough to help them actually win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,151 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    And the cheek to ask them to mobilise 18-25 year olds when there's so much more weapons they could send.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Ain’t that what Zelensky, Zalushny and whatever is the new top general there been saying for months

    Their issues in order of severity:

    • ammo and equipment for existing 1 million personnel
    • training and especially modern Orc war fighting techniques NATO doesn’t know about, which requires pulling their own veterans off the line

    Once above two points are fullfiled is manpower which the last draft few weeks ago of few hundred thousand more men is set to address

    Ukraine unlike the Russians see the stupidity and futility of just throwing untrained underequiped men to just die

    Which i suspect is the root concern of the friends of Putin here showing fake concerns, it drives them insane that Ukrainians won’t lower themselves to same stupid meatgrinder tactics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Putin will need Trump to deliver for him in the New Year. He can surely get through a few months of absolutely savage inflation, but he's not going to get through his six year term if he can't get a handle on things relatively quickly. Sanctions didn't seem to make the desired impact for a long time but are working now.

    I've always felt that the only Ukrainian route to victory was through the Russian regime collapsing due to frustration over the war. The collapse might be coming now but unfortunately the western resolve is weakening with that fckhead having been elected.

    Hopefully Europe can step up and keep the support going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,151 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    2024 Baltic Sea submarine cable disruptions - Wikipedia

    Isn't it wild that we have a general election tomorrow and our foreign policy isn't an issue at all? SF could be in government in weeks and they actually want other countries to stop giving aid to Ukraine. Their manifesto is a disgrace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I am right in saying that attacking civilian energy infrastructure is a war crime, aren't I??

    Have we got to the stage where Western media and politicians generally don't even bother reporting or getting vexed by this anymore? If so it's a great win for Putin's tactics of just lie, deny, persevere and let the passage of time paper over the bad stuff so that by the time there can be a reckoning everyone can just shrug and say, "well, that was a long time ago, we need to move on".

    The US telling Ukraine to call up lads who were 15 when this started, were 15 when the West could have made a real difference, while still stalling on letting Ukraine have what it says it needs… that's just callous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Meanwhile in Mordor, imagine putting your life at risk for … roubles

    And Russians are portrayed as a smart bunch



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Mick Wallace and especially Clare Daly in with a chance of a seat. What a country 🤬



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Fake concerns again from someone who wrote they will vote for pro Russian SF in next thread over



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    This is the truth of it rogber. Unfortunately there is no end in sight for these people. Heartbreaking to see the scenes of young kids and families with their pets hiding in the subway system this morning.

    Now is the time to ramp up attacks on their oil industry.

    Swamp the refineries with drones.

    Crashing the economy maybe the only way to get them to turn on Putin before Trump is sworn in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,176 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, but how does it pay for its war? Are they turning a profit on the oil / gas sales? because they as sure as hell not producing very much of anything else any more that could be exported…so military production is all that's left, and most of these items are strictly single use. The Russian Sovereign Wealth fund must be scraping the bottom of the barrel by now,,,,with nothing left to try to stem the falling Ruble, or else they would be supporting it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,176 ✭✭✭jmreire


    One reason was that he was been paid handsomely by Assad fo his "assistance". For one thing, Russia now has a lease on Syrian port in the mediterranean coast, and use of an airport. And while Assads oil fields were denied to him, Putin made up the shortfall ( all at a price, of course) But it seems that there has been a drop in the level of protection provided by Putin because the Syrian Free Army have advanced to within 5 klms of Aleppo.Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine,is having unforseen effects in many other places.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,168 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    It's better to have a problem than a dilemma. This is a good development although I would imagine he will just lose Syria



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,176 ✭✭✭jmreire


    They have an airbase there too, Hmeimim Air Base, currently operated by Russia. But the port would have a worse effect on the Russians if they were to lose it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    are the wagoner crowd still on the go stealing stuff for putin?or are they a dead duck?

    i have to wonder how putins gangsters are taking the collapse of the ruble?or did they get all their loot out to switzerland?

    yo! donnie vonredactedpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu,vic orban..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Looks like Ukrainians invented home made cheap drone interceptors

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    I highly doubt the master strategist in Kremlin is thinking long term or even cares for fate of Russia after his own death or end of this war, whichever comes first

    ISW writes that Russia is not interested in negotiating, which should concern friends of Russia

    IMG_5506.jpeg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,461 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Ukraine should get everything it needs until there is an armistice. It needs to hold as much territory as possible by January 20th when Trump's cabal takes office. Sinn Féin's approach to everything is simplistic nonsense.



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