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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,260 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    McEntee struggling badly on the whole question of deportations and the enforcement and verification that people actually leave.

    She's stressed, she's rushing through her speech and she's even trying to claim fixing it was all her idea?! A situation she's been a fundamental cause of?? Then she claims others in the room are living under a rock??

    This individual is incompetent, dangerous and failing upwards. She'll undoubtedly make Taoiseach yet (for all the wrong/irrelevant reasons) and she's done nothing to justify any of it.

    (Edited to add - she has a real inferiority and insecurity complex too. Desperate to show what SHE has done! Not a good trait for a senior minister either).

    Anyone from her constituency in Meath reading this post and who voted for or intends to vote for her (again) really needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

    Post edited by _Kaiser_ on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,020 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    She won't be getting any preference from me. Neither will the other FG and FF candidates. McEntee doesn't even canvass beyond Slane in the constituency



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,404 ✭✭✭archfi


    This is it.

    He's an ideological extremist without a doubt, a 'for the common good' zealot. And unfortunately, the vehicle he uses (the Greens) are the cog that kept the two major parties in power and that is all those two parties are concerned with.

    No insane social engineering is too much for those that simply want power for powers sake even if it completely corrupts what they thought five minutes ago.

    A thing isn't what it says it is.

    A thing is what it does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dh1985


    He has said that he tweeted a link to executive summary per the video below. We will discount the interview with the obvious paid actor. Paid by a russian propangandist and is actually from Portlaoise I suppose. Or do I need data to back that assumption.

    Directly from the executive summary:

    -Ending the congregated and segregated accommodation of applicants for international
    protection and providing own-door accommodation sourced through the local authorities
    within three months of an application for protection.

    Nothing in the executive summary about "if conditions allow" "potential challenges" or "number of IPAsetc etc. Like yourself, Little Roddy is playing with words when he discounts his tweets

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D6PiV3kzzpJM&ved=2ahUKEwi0m8nUxP2JAxXSQkEAHWP5CJ0Qo7QBegQIDBAF&usg=AOvVaw2XNIK6ykYTr6pW9CD0AsQF



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    If the people of East Meath could have a little look at this before voting, that would be great, cheers.

    Kinda sorry now that Michael Mc is gone to Europe.

    It's really no wonder we're in the state we are

    The following morning Harris was asked what he thought of her appearance at the committee - He said "I didn't see it" - The leader of the country had his justice minister fillited and skewered at a committee, and he didn't see it! - Right Simon



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Does that Gript.ru video show a chap in London, looking like he's suppressing a giggle, saying he came to Ireland because of Helen McAntee's visa policies or have I completely misunderstood something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,173 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Peadar in Aontu knows more than Helen and ROG, and if not enough AGS in that department how can they ever function correctly and do their job there

    I have received information today which suggests that internal recruitment for the Garda Immigration Officers and also Detective Gardaí for the same unit has ground to a halt. These roles were advertised well over a year and a half ago, yet there is no movement to progress the recruitment and get Gardaí on the front line. This highlights the government’s complete lack of effort or willingness to tackle the immigration chaos in the system. Clear investment and resourcing is needed in this area and the Justice Minster clearly does not see this as a priority.

    Bar Aontu and a few Independents, the other parties are just ignoring an issue that the majority of Ireland is concerned about but maybe for fear of being branded far right racists, stay quiet, too much inward immigration is effecting everything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Nothing in comparison to what we have today .The Ballymun towers will be merely a blip compared to the number of modular homes planned with a lifespan of 60 years . Tents and container homes did not really exist like today .

    In 1977 Ireland was second in the world to New Zealand for the highest number of owner occupied houses.At 69 percent on this chart we rank 45

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate&ved=2ahUKEwjb4NzppP6JAxVNEVkFHdfVJDIQFnoECDIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3kxccau5eBGVI82RE0YE5k

    .The rate has continued to decline with higher housing cost and a greater dependency on state housing and support.

    Post edited by rgossip30 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Wow you found one congrats . Your claim is misinformation!!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Roderic O’Gorman now placing the blame for the mess he has overseen on the Housing Minister for not magicking up 6,000 houses for the people remaining in DP with nowhere to go

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41525576.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Hows the eu economy as a whole doing considering other countries took in a massive amount of them over the years.

    Not exactly booming.

    Trying to create artificial demand for everything by artificially increasing the population seems to be where these morans heads are at.

    At the same time drive down wages due to more "skilled" labour

    Be interesting when the house of cards comes down and money dries up.

    Post edited by Mr. teddywinkles on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    O,Gorman is a very dangerous personality.

    Ya can see him back away from his idealogy coming up to the election.

    He knows full well that the general population have nothing in common with him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Someone on here had a signature that perfectly describes the dangers of what your last paragraph refers to - something along the lines of " none so dangerous as the man who acts out of desire to do good, for he never rests".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    There is a recruitment and retention crisis in AGS.

    You cannot put members into a until, if those members don't exist. If you want to fill up the immigration unit, then you take from uniform units, on the front line, and they are rare enough as it is.

    Want to solve the issues in AGS? Pay them more, change the pension that came in since 2013, allow members to stop paying into pensions once they get to 30 years service, change the management of AGS. Plenty that could be done to encourage people to join.

    You won't get people joining specialist units, if there are not enough members.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    He also wants to stop his own migration to Spain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Between this and O'Gorman's tweets it's like the greatest hits are being rolled out before the election.

    I remember it well, good 'ol Michael Mc's miraculous conversation to looking a bit anti-immigration before the Europeans.

    What could have changed with him, as that election was approaching, to make him go from one of the most pro-asylum seekers voices in the Dail, to doing sit down's with Gript.ru? I'll never figure it out.

    Did the far-right ever catch up with him? I recall they were none too pleased with what they called vote-stealing at the time.

    Funny, you don't hear much of him as an MEP. I bet he's ripping it up with all the anti-immigration stuff, only that the main stream media are suppressing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    He didn't send it. Have you not heard? The tweet never existed according to him, it is just an urban legend. Give me strength.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Hopefully the next Justice minister will come up with the idea to expand the remit of the Border Management Unit managed by the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service, with powers to deal with Immigration management, deportations and processing etc. Any related criminal issues such as arriving at the ports without a passport would be determined by Border mgmt officials and a call made to remove them to prison by AGS…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,173 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Then shouldn't we stop IPAs, cap limit how many we can take, no resources or staff to deal with them, only take from active warzones and at that we recently saw an Irish judge rule that a child was to be returned to Ukraine to his father

    We need to be stricter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    It must be all part of the cover up I guess.

    Like how tens of thousands were lured here with promises of a scheme that never existed…

    Yet nobody every complained.

    How did they manage that, those evil geniuses!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Mod edit:

    Link dump post deleted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    I know!

    We can recruit IPAs straight off the plane (from a perfectly safe jurisdiction) to alleviate the Garda shortages, just as they can jump straight onto building sites to alleviate the housing crisis.

    Maybe we could set up some kind of international transport system to gather up and bring in anyone in the world who wants to come here and exploit, sorry, AVAIL of our space and resources.

    Both problems will be solved in double quick time!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,079 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Zero chance of that happening.

    This government protects refugees who are convicted criminals.

    The backlog of cases is s filling much faster than deportations.

    The problem will be "fixed" in the future by granting a mass amnesty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    You'd have to wonder what entity was trying to stop this boy returning to his father in Ukraine. An NGO?

    The most interesting take the judge ruled there's no grave risk in returning and Ukraine has a war raging in the East. Makes a mockery of Nigerians amongst many other nationalities being entertained here in their droves. The system is broken, our obligations make no sense.

    https://gript.ie/high-court-orders-return-of-10-year-old-to-ukraine-no-evidence-of-grave-risk-to-safety/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    If you want to take scarce Gardai away from tackling serious and violent crime, and instead have them rounding up peaceful working people as part of a general deportation policy…

    Then vote Aontu tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    It seems AGS have already had some success in recruiting from IPA communities.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2024/06/21/eight-years-after-seeking-asylum-in-garda-station-i-walked-out-in-uniform/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    What? How could there be "scarce Gardai" when have such a large pool of skilled migrants to recruit from, in addition to a massive windfall from corporate tax sitting in the bank?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,304 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    AGS are already among the best paid in the PS.

    Their average pay is 1500 - 1700 per week, or about 83,200 per annum.

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    The new PS pension since 2013 applies to all public servants. It is not possible to change it for one group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Maybe that puts paid to the myths about migrants getting 'free houses'?

    It could be that just like everyone else they might struggle with affording accommodation on junior Garda salaries.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Tenzor07




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