Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

Yes it's ridiculous to suggest a profitable business would up it's wages in light of staff shortages. Aside from that I think you're vastly over-estimating the amount of IPAs working for Deliveroo.

I think the stats you're referring to are out of date and precede changes made in the right to work for IPAs.

That article is behind a paywall so I can't read it.

Not being able to move out might be related to not being able to find or afford accommodation, as opposed to not working.

The point I'm making is that a lot of low paid workers are dependent on the state.

I think the idea that emergency accommodation costs for IPAs would simply disappear in their absence is a fallacy. Other low paid workers would be required to fill their positions, who themselves would require emergency accommodation of some sort.

Personally I think there might be scope for attempting to reduce the numbers working in certain low paid jobs, but I think it should be attempted on a smaller scale and in a very deliberate manner so as not to disrupt essential services. I don't think it's anywhere near as straightforward as saying we don't give work-permits for certain roles. Typically, having lower entry requirements, it's relatively easy for people to move between low paid roles and we have to protect jobs which are essential or positively impact the economy in other ways.

Nobodies saying the costs would disappear, but tens of thousands of fewer dependents would go a hell of a ways to reducing the enormous costs

Just because we already have dependent low paid workers here doesn’t mean we have unlimited capacity for every other one in the world. Far, far from it.

It’s the same line of reasoning as people that say “sure there are Irish people abusing the system here too so who cares if extra people come in and do the same” - yeah of course there are, but that doesn’t mean we should let everyone else abuse the system, it means we should deal with the abusers and reform the system, not become permissive of abuse from everyone.

Basically, yeah we’ve our own dependents already - adding tens of thousands to that burden (and that’s only 1 year in this “new normal”) makes it a lot worse. Allowing it to continue is just digging a deeper and deeper hole for ourselves - there are literally billions of people out there, we will never ever be able to get on top of this. Let’s face reality.

Are there certain posters on a commission every time they mention Deliveroo?

We do bring in people through these systems and also people from the EU can come work here where ever they like.

They still need somewhere to live. Given our housing shortages that's going to cost the state one way or another.

There is a big difference between permit holders and asylum seekers. People get their work permit, come to state and start working. From day one they have to provide for themselves. They don't cost anything to state.

I be happy if government handed out work permits and welcome packs at the airports, ports, train stations and send them their merry way rather than going in the black hole of asylum process and providing for years with little or no chance of deporting anyone. No asylum process, no food, no accommodation, no money. Believe me most of them will not last few months and leave. Once human traffickers find out this Ireland will be at buttom of the list in their catalogues and then we can work on helping genuine refugees either on shore or off shore.

Where do you think these people would live?

The private housing market is at full capacity.

Pretty much for every additional person that enters somebody must leave.

The person leaving will be entitled to emergency accommodation or homeless support.

As it is it seems a small number of low paid workers are living on the streets. I'm not sure it's feasible, or right, to think that this would increase and allow the state to be relatively off the hook.

It will be easier for Irish to leave the state, come back after destroying their documents and claim asylum in their own country. Why bother working their @ss off and still can't afford accommodation while others will be getting 400k houses.

The mental gymnastics of the first part. Are you suggesting that because they didn’t go to a journalist as soon as the tweets were posted that their concerns aren’t valid? And how do you know they didn’t anyway. There is no time limit on being aghast by the actions of a politician btw

It's possible these 'whistleblowers' went to the journalist some time before the story appeared in Gript.ru.

But why didn't the Sunday Times print it then? Did they not take it seriously?

Wonder why the SDs, Labour and PBP weren't at the debate last night?

If they weren't invited one would imagine they would be screaming blue murder about being left out but not a peep out of them.

Surely the reason couldn't be that immigration is a topic where they are just happy to sit it out and debate housing and health instead.

inaccurate. He did not say the tweets were misrepresented by the far right. Here is the exchange about the tweets

Sandra: the one you tweeted inviting everybody in 8 different languages

ROG: no I’ve never invited anybody, that’s a piece of far right rumour

Sandra: you didn’t send that?

ROG: no tweet like that was sent

Sandra: somebody hacked your twitter?

ROG: no one hacked. There wasn’t any such tweets

Sandra: so that was a red herring, that never happened? You did not invite in eight different languages?

ROG; nope that never happened

Sandra: so why have you not defended that?

ROG: I have, I have said it every time that it has been brought up to me on the media, on television, in the dail

Sandra: and have you looked into where it came from, I mean that’s serious, that’s a huge part of why people are totally against you at the moment

ROG: yeah I’m aware

Sandra: the children, the tusla files, the abused children

ROG: now which files?

nowhere does he say his tweets were misrepresented. He made it sound like the tweets never existed at all