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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,154 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed. They did it prior to the war, made ridiculous demands that no country would ever accept. They knew the Ukrainians wouldn't except it and that was pretext to an invasion that was always going to happen.

    Putin's democracy is a facade. Their elections are a charade. Their judiciary is a charade. Their rubber stamping parliament is a prop. The "referendums" they hold on conquered territory are fake.

    They have a word for the art of deception - Maskirovka

    They have entire troll factories pumping out disinformation.

    It's all very, very obvious. It's just interesting as always to see individuals treat this stuff as anything but.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,178 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The fact is that the whole world would be unspeakably better off without Russia or Putin. He's just a murderous thugand worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    Personally, I blame the West for the current war. Ban me or consider me an anti-Ukrainian if you want.

    Why? Because the West poo pooed Putin in 2014 when it should have came down as a ton of bricks on him then, and I don't mean slightly harsher trade sanctions. I mean an immediate invitation into NATO for Ukraine or the permission and assistance to develop the Ukrainian nuclear arsenal. Instead, I watched in dismay how Ukraine was strong armed into signing humiliating Minsk agreements, which basically awarded Putin whatever he wanted and showed him that he can continue his aggression on a larger scale later.

    Water under the bridge? Whatever happened in the past does not matter? It does, because it is repeating right now. Ukraine is being supplied with arms, but just little by little, not to cross some imaginary "red lines". The summer offensive of 2023 could have broken the Russian control of the South of Ukraine if there were hundreds of modern tanks available, not tens. Where are the hundreds of F-16? And now Ukraine is pushed into some peace agreement suspiciously like the Minsk agreements, where it Ukraine that is being punished, not Putin.

    Could the West do more before? Yes, and it would have been so cheap and effective then! Can the West do more now? Yes, it can, and the better support for Ukraine as soon as possible will be cheaper for all of us in the long run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭Deub


    The vast bulk of advances are in Donestk which continues to undermine the wisdom of the Kursk operation which is diverting manpower and equipment.

    You should clearly write when it is your opinion. The sentence above is a clear example of that.

    Don’t you think the Ukrainian manpower and equipment there is not keeping Russia’s manpower and equipment busy as well?

    I see a certain OP posting fake concerns when Russia advances few hundred meters but weirdly enough, nothing much about Kursk. So it makes me think that Russian are not having great success there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,644 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Agree with alot of your points tho keep in mind the Russians love driving wedges into the lack of coherence and unity that is inherent to free democratic liberal states

    you see it here with them making posts like X is worse than Y which endsup offending people from X and has us fighting among ourselves instead of focusing on Mordor

    It’s no great surprise to Ukrainians that aid arrives slowly and in dribs and drabs from various allies which only highlights just how valuable EU and NATO membership is which threat didn’t get before the war, and it sure as hell wasn’t for lack of trying on their end.

    But admiringly they grit their teeth and keep resisting the Russian neo Nazi colonial steamroller

    Because the alternative is not losing some land like their trolls like to paint, the alternative is extermination like they seen already happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    He does that a lot, yesterday got caught editing Wikipedia to make his points

    10/10 for effort



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,178 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Membership of the EU was the main target for Ukraine, remember Yanukovich got elected on a platform of closer relations with the EU? But then Putin stepped in and put a stop to it,and Ukrainians took to the streets to protest about it, and called for new elections. No mention of NATO at that point, which came 6 mths after the invasion, when Ukraine made an official request for membership which was turned down because a state of war existed. If Putin had never existed, and after he's dead and gone, the world will be a much quieter and peacefull place, All that has happened in Ukraine, all the death and destruction is purely and 100% Vladimin Vladimirovich Putin's fault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,644 ✭✭✭zv2


    Ukraine has many men. It's just that they don't want to mobilize them. But if push comes to shove and they have the weapons they should be able to outlast the Russians as their economy collapses. That is the only way that I can see of winning the war.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Great post. Someone will be along to call you a vatnik or whatever in a minute though..

    The west has shamed itself by not supporting Ukraine properly and letting Russian propaganda run riot the last year in particular.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    There are plenty of Russians in Ireland going by this thread. We better watch out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,178 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The situation with the Russian Federation is that given free choices, they would all vote for Independence,. Something that Putin is well aware of, and terrified by, hence the vicious crack downs on Chechnya, Georgia and more recently Ukraine. And now, his empire is tottering on the brink, with Kazakhstan firing the first shots in what will develop into a rush of republics declaring their independence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    To anyone wondering if Ukraine do actually have enough men their current mobilisation age where you can be forced to serve was reduced from 27 to 25 earlier this year. Obviously someone from 18 to 25 can join up but there's a lot of men in that 7 year range who have yet to be mobilised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Zalushniy made it clear that manpower is not the problem, equipment and training is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,464 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    What are you on about? 🤣 Go on show me where I edited Wikipedia. You're ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,464 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Everything I write is my opinion. I very rarely quote text from a source and when I do I wrap it in quote tags.

    The point about manpower and Kursk should be obvious to most people. If you've stationed troops there then they are not on the frontline that is the most "fluid".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Don't forget the butter. They'll kill for butter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,178 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Sure, no problem!! In Georgia, to increase the ethnic Russian population, he issued Russian passports to all and sundry, no matter where they were from, thereby massively increasing the Russian nrs, for when he staged an invasion to "rescue them". The same thing happened in Donbass etc.Its Putins Standard Operating Practice ( SOP)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,178 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Its a joke, but Putin has used the justification " Protecting Ethnic Russians" far too many times by now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,464 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    In Luhansk and Donetsk the ethnic Russian population doesn't reach 40%. Ukrainians are the majority. It's always been the go-to excuse. Crimea is the only clear majority ethnic Russian region in Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Didn't Russia ethically cleanse the Tatars there just a bit further back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭Deub


    The point about manpower and Kursk should be obvious to most people. If you've stationed troops there then they are not on the frontline that is the most "fluid".

    What doesn’t seem obvious apparently is the Russians in Kursk would be in Ukraine. I don’t see why Ukraine manpower would be more useful in Ukraine than they are in Kursk. It is not football. You don’t get home advantage.

    I would say better keep Kursk so they destroy their own country instead of Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,222 ✭✭✭yagan


    Orban has done the same with ethnic Hungarians in Romania, even giving them a vote in Hungarian elections.

    Orban has always been trying to split the EU and probably always hoped that Putin would prevail so he would have military support for greater Magyar.

    It's probably been Hungary that's been passing NATO info unto Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭carveone


    The Guardian says that Georgescu has described Codreanu and Antonescu as national heroes.

    WTF seriously? Another one of these "ah sure the Nazis were great really" fan boys?

    Russia would be big fans of Antonescu given the whole Operation Barbarossa thing. Israel even more so given the whole 400,000 victims of genocide. What is wrong with people. They'll be saying Ceaușescu was just misunderstood next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Anton Gerashchenko and Joe Bro believe that AI generated Putin has been making statements over the last few weeks on TV and that a number of female RT news reporters are also Ai generated as the kremlin no longer trusts real people to keep to the script. No one is saying Putin is dead he just won't leave his secret bunker.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,100 ✭✭✭Polar101


    And Georgia are quite far along the line already with the whole Abkhazia and South Ossetia situations. I wonder how many of those Russians who fled the war to Georgia remain there, and will they start getting "invites" to visit the Donbass?.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,644 ✭✭✭zv2


    Mod Edit: Warning issued for breach of forum charter

    Post edited by Necro on

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,644 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,464 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    If you'd said 15 years a go there'd be headlines like this in the not too distant future people would have thought you were bananas.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/25/germany-draws-up-list-of-bunkers-amid-russia-tensions



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Correct. 191000 were deported in 1944.

    ''Nearly 8,000 Crimean Tatars died during the deportation, and tens of thousands subsequently perished due to the harsh living conditions in which they were forced to live during their exile''.-Wikipedia

    Repression of the tartars has increased since the Russians annexed the Crimea.



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