Conor McGregor Megathread *Mod Warning in OP Updated 20th April*

Again pointless to speculate. We'll never know. I always find it sad people's obsessions with celebrities personal lives. And yes I'd consider Dee a celebrity.

That could equally imply that criminal law on rape is too heavily in favour of the accused: the victim finds herself on trial and unlike the accused, has very little legal protection. That's why fewer than 1.5% of reported rapes result in a suspect being charged, never mind lead to a conviction.

you need to read up on it more. Your take is just too bland. And the word is liable, not guilty.

She said she never had sex with him and if she had, it was not consensual. Lawrence was acting as a fall guy for McGregor, that's the reality. So nope, I don't think it's scummy that her legal team chose to put him on the spot. What do you think of the fact Lawrence was lying to cover for McGregor, pretty scummy isn't it?

 I always find it sad people's obsessions with celebrities

While I agree in general, it's also very relevant that McGregor's wealth and fame are very little to do with his MMA career and everything to do with the public persona that he has very carefully crafted and cultivated. Even in the aftermath, when most normal people would be keeping a low profile, he was on social media attacking the complainant and abusing journalists for reporting on the story.

They gave up their rights to privacy long ago - far from it in fact, they want and crave this attention. As soon as people stop paying attention to them, they cease to exist.

She could have consented at the time but didn't remember the next day.

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Mistaken on the payout, he does have a history of paying off women though so if she wanted, she could have settled out of court rather than six years of pursuing the case.

My point in relation to the tampon is that it's incredibly unlikely she would have consented to sex with it still present in her. That in conjunction with the injuries indicates a lack of consent.

If she was too drunk to remember, then she was too drunk to give consent.

There's a case going through the courts in France at the moment where a woman was repeatedly drugged by her husband and raped by dozens of men that he brought into their home, over a decade or so - she has no memory of the events because she was literally unconscious. Most of the men are pleading innocent and several are claiming that they just thought she was drunk, (and so was fair game, since the husband was happy to have them have sex with her) and some are even saying that she mumbled consent.

So no, a woman being "out of it" is not the same as consent. Men need to learn that.

(That said, it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that some of them actually will be found not guilty - though I suspect that because the victim refused anonymity and so the court case, most unusually, was held in open court, public fury at the claims of some of the defence lawyers alleging that she must have known "really" may influence the judge's instructions. I suspect that had it been held behind closed doors, she would have had an even harder time, and the rapists might well have got off more easily because of that. A bit like Nikita Hand really)

Liveline today

If you're blackout drunk, how are you also acting normally? Huh?

Blackout drunk implies to me that you're heavily under the influence of alcohol. You can't also be normal as well.

You missed the point, which was to state that some people bruise much more easily than others. Had I fallen yesterday in the same fashion as my Aunt did all those years ago (she was about my age now) I would have a graze on arm and a slight bruise. I’ve come off motorbikes and been less bruised than what she was the day after she fell.

Alcohol also thins the blood making any bruise injury more severe. So too does anxiety and antidepressant medication, both of which we were told Hand was taking, alongside copious amounts of alcohol and whatever else she was taking.

I’m no expert, but add in some vigorous sex and it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that McGregor did in fact cause the bruising, but not necessarily in the way Hand told the jury.

bit of an OTT reaction, no? Folks simply wondered how/why she would put up with his cheating.. hardly obsession. It is, after all a thread about a sexual assault civil trial.

Eh…

Maybe he was mixing you up with someone else?

Or maybe his bar for "ok to go in" is just "not aggressive when drunk" - so maybe he saw you the night before, saw that you were very drunk but not at all aggressive, so he didn't mind letting you in again? I'd say that's exactly the kind of drunk client they want in nightclubs: too drunk to be aware of what he's spending, but easy to handle.

i am just wondering though why she didn't say what herself and Lawrence were doing in the room for the few hours they were together. I find someone saying they "don't remember" if they had sex to be a bit odd. Is there anyone else here who wouldn't remember that ? I would know one way or the other.

Was she so out of it that she can't remember?