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Mixed paint - a question for the professionals.

  • 17-11-2024 08:42PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,999 ✭✭✭✭


    I bought a 2.5 litre tin of emulsion paint in a local paint shop about 18 months ago and while it was "off the shelf" and branded (Dulux I think) the sales person opened it and put colouring of some sort into it. I thought nothing of it at the time as I had got mixed paint quite a few times in the past from the same place. But is this normal (even legal?) to remove the lid of a branded tin of paint and put some form of colouring mix in to it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Madd002


    Yes, if you wanted a specific colour. Dulux color on shelf is maybe 45 but if you pick plain white and they mix to colour spec think it's 7/8 euro cheaper.

    I used to get ccolortrend colors mixed in Dulux matt.

    They put a stop to it as colortrend reps realised the colours in machine were emptying faster that their white paint was being bought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,588 ✭✭✭con747


    You have too much time now to think muffler since you stopped posting Amazon bargains!

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,621 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    It's probably a Dulux paint machine.

    Dulux have an app with 1200 colours and you can get any colour mixed up in a shop that has their paint machine.

    They also have that colour match scanner that will give you paint the same shade as whatever you scan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Albany used to mix their own branded emulsion drum, think 12L drum

    It was great stuff when i used it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,999 ✭✭✭✭muffler




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,999 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    Thanks for the replies lads. I had thought it was a tin off the shelf with the required colour already in it but I'm probably wrong now. In these situations the wife does the picking and I do the paying so God knows what she picked but it was a poor match to what it was supposed to be based on the colour displayed on the tin.

    On another occasion we bought Dulux paint in Homebase and headed straight to the checkout as there was no mixing involved. That paint was an exact match to what was shown on the tin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,999 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    On a related note I was in the local paint shop this morning and as the 5 litre tin of ceiling paint was better value I said to the assistant that I would use some this week and have plenty left for another couple of ceilings in the new year. He told me not to do this as the paint would only keep for 3 or 4 weeks. Surely this isn't right?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,143 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    does the outside of the tin already state a colour on it? or is it a dulux branded tin of paint specifically for mixing?

    it'd be unusual in my experience (i.e. i've never seen it) for someone to use a 'finished' paint for mixing up a new colour. should mention i'm not a pro…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,141 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You can add stainers to a finished paint.
    The only issue is that there is a % you cannot cross as it affects the durability of the paint. There is a balance of driers, extender and stainers to be aware of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,539 ✭✭✭ongarite


    Depends on how you will store the paint after use. If tin is sealed correctly & stored at room temperature, then it should be good for several months.

    If you are storing in cold shed or attic over winter, then the paint is likely to go bad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,999 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    It was 18 months ago and I'm fairly sure the tin stated the exact colour but there was still "mix" added to it. What may explain that was just this morning we bought 2.5 litres of wall paint (picked the colour from a chart) and the guy said it would be 55 Euro for the base version or 32 for a mixed version but the colour would be a bit lighter using the mix. The wife settled for the base version but he still added mix to it. Based on previous replies I'm assuming this is normal but I'm still intrigued.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,999 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    This is the strange thing about paint. I've used ceiling paint before and it would have been 7 or 8 years old and it was fine. This would have been a 10 litre bucket that would have been used a couple of times over that period. Maybe I was just lucky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,588 ✭✭✭con747


    A lot of paints will separate after lying around for long periods but I just bend a metal coat hanger into the shape of a W and fit both loose ends into a power drill and just mix it back and most of the time it's as good as new. I know certain paints once gone bad there is no coming back though.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    The vast majority paint company's will carry a limited number of paint colours that can be purchased off the shelf, but will have a wider range available to pick from a colour chart/palette.

    The off the shelf or pre mixed version are usually sold as is and never really have any colourant added to them, as there is no certainty what the colour will turn out like. If the sales person done this, it's very likely they haven't a clue what they're doing.

    Each brand that also have their extended colour range, will have the "specific base" for the chosen colour. Bases will vary depending on colour. Bases range from neutral to extra deep with maybe another 3/4 in-between depending on the brand.

    With ref; "What may explain that was just this morning we bought 2.5 litres of wall paint (picked the colour from a chart) and the guy said it would be 55 Euro for the base version or 32 for a mixed version but the colour would be a bit lighter using the mix."

    This means that the cheaper version was mixed into a white base, and will dry out a little lighter than if it had been mixed into the specific base for that colour according to the manufacturer.

    Regards; paint only lasting 3/4 weeks. I'm calling BS , unless water based and it's left out in the frost, it will be fine. I've used waterbased paint that was stored months after being opened, and oil based years after it was opened

    And just to add, it wouldn't be illegal to add a mix to off the shelf paint. 😉



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,143 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i've used water based paint several years after it was originally opened (stored in an unheated garage) and it was fine, but have also had paint that had gone watery and thin. often if paint goes off, you get an eggy smell off it, and if that's the case, it's for the bin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,178 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Not your ornery onager



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,143 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it slipped off the tongue more easily than 'it's for the safe paint disposal bins at my local council bring centre'…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,999 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    So I got a bit of painting done in the kitchen last Thursday and at dinner time today my wife decided to wipe the excess steam/moisture from the wall just above the cooker and the paint decided to wipe away also. Any idea if the paint was too fresh and would giving it another coat sort it?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    Are you saying that you painted it on Thursday and your wife wiped it on Sunday?.

    If that is the case ,then the paint should have been well dry.

    What brand of paint and what finish did you use. Was it a Matt finish by any chance

    Is that area under an extractor fan?.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,178 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Did you clean, prepare and prime the area well before painting?

    Not your ornery onager



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭Deregos.
    Time to put childish things aside.


    It can be hard to see, but make sure the wall area is scrubbed clean of any grease and fully dry before you repaint, otherwise the new paint simply won't adhere well as has happened here. I use warm water with sugar soap for preping kitchen surfaces, rinse afterwards with cold water and allow to dry. Once you've repainted, avoid using the cooker for 24 hours to give the paint a chance to cure.

    Having painted wall areas in close proximity to hobs or ovens is always going to be problematic because of the constant steam and grease. Thats why I think most folk tend to opt for an easy to wipe backsplash of some discription . . be it marble, mirror or tiles in these locations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,999 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    Yes painted Thursday and wiped on Sunday. That patch is just above the cooker and below the extractor fan. Paint is Fleetwood soft sheen. I think it's a Matt finish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,999 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    This could be at the root of the problem. Herself cleaned the wall before painting but it wasn't much more than a wipe with a damp cloth after wringing the cloth out from a dish of soapy water. That was the extent of the prepping. One coat only probably hasn't helped things. In saying all that the limited amount of prepping and painting was the same as previous times yet we didn't encounter paint rubbing off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,999 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    Thanks for that. I suppose washing down and painting that section again is the best solution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,697 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Basically Dulux have so many colours in their range a shop can't stock them all. It would take up too much space.

    It's far easier to stock a selection of the most popular ones and then to mix up the rest using one of their machines on site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,697 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Given it's over a cooker there might have been grease on the wall which has stopped the paint keying correctly.

    I'd give the wall a clean and try again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,178 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Scrape it first (there may be an invisible layer of crud), then sandpaper then brush down. Wipe with a damp (clean 😀 lint-free) cloth and let it dry well.

    Just a DIYer here.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,122 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Look closely at the paint and see if the paint tore or whether she wiped through the paint. It's likely that it tore through - I'd guess it was the oil like @o1s1n said. Might be time for a splashback or tile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,178 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    A splashback is a good idea. It will cover the blemish, and be much easier to keep clean.

    Not your ornery onager



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,697 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    These shiny type run lines are generally indicative of some sort of oil or grease on the wall under the paint alright.

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    But yeah as the guys said, a good clean will sort it out.

    I've a stainless steel splash back right up to the extractor hood in my kitchen, really quick long term fix!



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