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Conor McGregor Megathread *Mod Warning in OP Updated 20th April*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    listening to the radio machine this morning. Seems the legal affairs editor of the sindo is in agreement that Hand won against McGregor and lost against Lawrence. So she could end up taking money from one and giving to the other and also being left with a legal bill bigger than the cost of the average Dublin house in a nice area.

    Do I think that will happen? No. But that’s the legal conundrum that will be picked through starting this week. They should never have taken Lawrence on in the civil case. Calculated, but silly risk imo.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Speculation around how Nikita may end up owing money in terms of costs for the JL aspect of the trial- legal expert provides their view.

    I certainly don’t believe Nikita went through all of this for monetary compensation - it just doesn’t make sense to me. However I do believe she deserves monetary compensation so an awful turn of events if she ends up in debt given the outcome.

    Not sure if McGregor’s “outbursts” on Twitter over the last few days will influence anything - I imagine there are clear guidelines laid down and they likely don’t include penalties for calling the High Court a kangaroo trial of emotions and feelings.

    Meanwhile Gardai are continuing their investigation into the “raid” on Nikita’s home and the assault on her boyfriend - along with another similar attack on another house close by-I really hope they catch the scum who did these attacks


    https://www.thesun.ie/news/14244492/gardai-probe-link-nikita-hand-home-raid/amp/

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/nikita-hand-could-end-up-owing-more-money-to-conor-mcgregors-co-accused-than-shes-won-legal-expert-on-next-steps-in-civil-rape-case/a304424763.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    If she hadn't have sued Lawrence as well, McGregor would just put him on the stand as his witness to say he had sex with her afterwards. Would have been much worse for her that way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭foxsake


    i don't know if he did it or not.

    I think a lot of people cheering this are driven by an pre-determined attitude of either or both

    1. hate mcgregor and wanting his downfall
    2. believe all women

    To an awful lot of people the actual evidence in court is irrelevant.

    all I can say if I was hung on the evidence in the media ( i wasn't in court) I'd feel very hard done by

    she was definitely hurt .

    the tapping out comment she said he made was too detailed to be a lie (IMO)

    but 3 witnesses (driver, and 2 other shaggers) said the witnessed nothing untoward. If she was being raped to the extent of the bruising they must have noticed something even if afterwards

    the CCTV evidence backs MacGregors version esp as she hung around all day with his mate.

    I don't know how one can definitely say he is did based on all that or that she is lying either.

    but people love to take sides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I’d put forward that’s the one reason they wouldn’t have considered when deciding on whether or not to progress with a criminal trial. In fairness to the DPP, I don’t believe that they think that way

    It’s very clear to all now given the trial and all of the detail covered that this wasn’t an easy trial and to reach the bar of beyond reasonable doubt in a criminal trial - a bar considerably higher than the balance of probability- would have been challenging.
    Ironically I think McGregor taking the stand in this trial likely helped the jury make their decision.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,004 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    McGregors mouth and antics put UFC into the mainstream and made the higher ups a hell of a lot of money. No doubt he was indulged to the hilt at the height of his "sporting" achievements.

    Now that Youtubers have gone into boxing it can't be too long before they move into UFC. McGregor is no longer needed or protected by them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    these sort of posts might have had some validity before a jury - who saw and heard all the evidence and legal arguments - made their decision.

    As it stands now, with the verdict in, I’m not sure what the point is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Drugs.

    Normality goes out the window. Which is why people take them.

    And alcohol.

    You can rationalise people on drugs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    He tried the MIGA thing here but at least we can now thankfully put his desire to move into Aras an Uachtarain behind us.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Had he been put on the stand, the same arguments and evidence would have been put forward. The big difference being that there would be no legal fees question for Lawrence and Hand. Couldn’t see how that would be much worse tbh.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    I'm not sure awarding costs on the basis of tweets yesterday is the look the judge will want when it's sent up to the Court of Appeal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,434 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    On the Lawrence ruling: surely the jury needs to explain to judge why he was found not liable.

    Because if found ‘not liable’ because the jury believes his claim, therefore believing the sex was consensual, then how could they find McGregor liable..?

    Wouldn’t this reason really bolster McGregor’s argument that “how could I have raped her if she then went on to have consensual sex with him?”

    It must be that Lawrence was found not liable because the jury did not believe his claim that he had a sexual encounter with Ms. Hand. This reasoning should absolutely not see Ms Hand liable for Lawrence’s costs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭foxsake


    the point is - its a discussion point. A trial in the public eye where the verdict doesn't sit right with me and tbh causes me a little unease.

    as i said - Id hate to hang on that evidence. If McGregor with his wealth and influence falls before such evidence - what hope does the average citizen have should he end up in a similar situation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭anndub


    Must have been some session for her to not remember in the following days either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Yes obviously, and as a Barrister explained on a radio station when asked why was he not brought up on a criminal charge, he explained that the "DPP hadn't enough evidence and had contradicting evidence (CCTv, and txt messages) to pursue a #case# a case against Connor McGregor". That's a legal experts words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,126 ✭✭✭sporina


    awe now come on - its where the bruises were!! you can't bruise around neck and inner thighs from falling over



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,434 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    it’s typical desperation defence type tactics that get used.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Yes,you claimed that the dpp not bringing a case was basically the same as it not happening. That's not the case at all. Gardai investigate whether crimes have been committed, who committed them etc. the dpp only decide if there's enough evidence to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt. That doesn't mean that it didn't happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    My question was about your assertion that people are only commenting based on a "pre-determined attitude" and that the "actual evidence in court is irrelevant".

    I'm not sure how you make that statement after the evidence has been heard and more importantly, the jury has weighed in. Not to mention the stuff which was not disclosed in court…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Is there any chance the DPP can reconsider the evidence again and take a prosecution case?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭dockysher


    It's a funny open relationship he has with Dee, she has absolutely zero self respect. Reading article in indo, he admitted to having sex 5 times with 2 different women unprotected.

    He got taxi to drop him to different spot the next morning cus he knew his partner be home. He returned to family home later that day.

    She could be catching anything off him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Even if they wanted to, it would be very hard to see how he'd get a fair trial now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,434 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    how do you know it’s an open relationship? He is clearly behaving like it’s open, but does she want it open, agreed to it open; or is it more a case that she doesn’t want it open, but is having to “put up” with his indiscretions?

    open implies both parties in agreement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The number of posters trying to portray McGregor as a victim is wild. The tampon aspect is a pretty substantial piece of evidence given the fact it had to have been surgically removed. Medical examiners considered the injuries to be severe and that she was suffering from PTSD.

    So you can say it doesn't sit right with you but a jury doesn't agree. Also that's ignoring the fact that McGregor appears to intimidate women who have pursued legal cases against him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,265 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    We don't know either way so speculation is pointless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,434 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    well, if it’s open it seems open one way. His way..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    A march is planned outside of DPPs office - not sure what it will achieve - DPP office has a very good conviction rate for those cases going to trial - we know this was a complex case.

    “A march in support of Nikita Hand, who won her claim for damages for sexual assault against MMA star Conor McGregor, is set to take place on Monday. 

    Marchers will converge on the office of the DPP to highlight concerns over failures to take a criminal case against  McGregor.

    Monday is also International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women.

    Ruth Coppinger, co-founder of march organisers Rosa Socialist Feminist Movement and general election candidate in Dublin West, praised Ms Hand.”
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41522798.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭moonage


    So she sued a man for raping her purely for tactical reasons?

    Seems a bit scummy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Less scummy than the fact McGregor was using Lawrence to take the fall for him? Cause that's what was happening here. But sure back to smearing the victim which Lawrence is also happily doing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭foxsake


    I find your take on my comment a bit odd.

    my post acknowledged she was hurt - at no time did I deny this.

    the question was in court , did he do it? and I'm not convinced either way based on what was reported.. I outlined briefly why.

    my point being uneasy with the verdict is my opinion.

    The jury made their decision they were in court.

    Also that's ignoring the fact that McGregor appears to intimidate women who have pursued legal cases against him.

    Speculation doesn't belong in a court case



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