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Licence renewal forms... more of the same....

  • 06-11-2024 09:51PM
    #1
    Nekarsulm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,293 ✭✭✭✭


    My 3 licence renewals arrived yesterday.

    Pre-populated, as usual.

    But, also as usual, pre-populated with a bizarre range of details.

    In every case the land line is one 16 years out of date, and the mobile number is at least 12 years out of date. The "local Garda Station" is wrong in each case too, being in a different Garda District.

    One of the 3 has no "referee" details at all, while the two others have no Eircodes.

    On none of them has the email address been carried over, and another one has only part of the house address entered…

    One of them has filled in the address's of two parcels of land I own, while the other two do not.

    How can Pulse still be so incomplete?

    The email, phone numbers and eircodes have been supplied at least 5 times since those out-of- date numbers were last given.



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  • #2
    Bogwoppit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,190 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    Pulse was an out of date clusterf*ck when it was introduced.
    I sat with a Garda probably 15 years ago when there was a major issue with my license, pulse had completely messed up the details.

    It was completely unusable then and it’s only gotten worse. It’s not the fault of the garda trying to use the system, it’s just hopelessly inefficient, cumbersome and unreliable.



  • #3
    JP22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭JP22


    How can Pulse still be so incomplete?

    Some of our info/data changes over time, most of us change it on the renewal forms, this new data should then be entered to/amembed on Pulse, obviously it's not being updated.



  • #4
    Nekarsulm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,293 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122810737#Comment_122810737

    Yeah, but the land-line and mobile they are putting on my renewal relate to phones I last used in 2010…..

    There have been a fair few renewals and changes of firearm since then.

    In fact, one of them was a brand new application just before Covid, so how did they remove the valid phone numbers off that license application and replace with numbers from ten years earlier?

    As ever, I will be photocopying everything in anticipation of the documents being "lost in the Station" ………..

    The Station is about 12 feet by 14 feet square…



  • #5
    garrettod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭garrettod


    Who is supposed to update Pulse, the Garda processing your application, or one of the "laymen" (civilians/civil servants) working in a support role behind the scenes?

    I was previously told that the reason my details differed a little on one "renewal" to another, was because I'd been set up on Pulse, more than once (so, in theory, there's two or three of me, per Pulse, and each profile is independent of the others, so likely that none are complete). Crazy stuff, if true!

    Thanks,

    G.



  • #6
    alex90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭alex90


    Mine arrived during the week, my parents home number as mine, was only ever listed as a referees number, my referees name changed and date of birth changed. At least i got to speak to the sergeant when dropping it in



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  • #7
    Nekarsulm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,293 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    Phone call last night about 8pm.

    Garda in local station processing my renewals (Sat night seems to be the only time they spend a few hours in the station).

    Asking me about my referees, who were they, etc.

    Asked about their phone numbers, were they still current, asked about my gun safe and ammo storage.

    Asked if I had an alarm system fitted to the house.

    Asked if I had CCTV fitted, I told him No, but I have a trail cam focused on the house entry. "Does that record images "?

    When I said they could be downloaded as stills, he was happy with that.

    Asked why I had two shotguns, I said one for pest, one for clay shooting.

    "Are you in a club"?

    Yes, says I.

    Have you a membership card?

    Yes says I.

    "Could you drop it in"

    I said I was in the car and could do it right now.

    Do I did. He photocopied it.

    I asked why all the procedure for a renewal ( he had cslled both referees by now) and he said " it's all changed now, orders from above. Don't blame the messenger. I have a check list to complete on every application"

    And indeed he showed a sheet with about 25 tick boxes on it.

    So if they have to call every shooters referees every renewal, they'll be busy.



  • #8
    feartuath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭feartuath


    Same here, got my first licence 38yrs ago.

    Multiple phone calls and questions when I renewed recently.

    Details unchanged since 2001.



  • #9
    dalalada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭dalalada


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122877369#Comment_122877369

    what county you in



  • #10
    Nekarsulm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,293 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    Cavan



  • #11
    Rescueme0007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Rescueme0007


    As per feartuath, I got my first firearms licence 41 years ago, my second firearm was added 18 years ago and my third firearm June of this year. The first two were up for renewal by Christmas (as with thousands of others) spoke on a number of occasions with my local FO. He advised me that he is required to contact each of the referee's and must sight the security arrangement for each firearms holder. He mentioned the incident in North Cork and implied that it was the reason for so much extra scrutiny. It'll be interesting to see what might be revealed by such close attention. He contacted me enquiring about my sons membership of a local rifle/target shooting club. He was advised that neither of us are members and never have been. PULSE appears to be a rather flawed system, which adds to the admin burden for the AGS, lots of mistakes, lots of re-scrubs, lots of extra work for AGS and increased irritation for us licensee's.



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  • #12
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,307 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    He mentioned the incident in North Cork and implied that it was the reason for so much extra scrutiny.

    I assume he means the two-farm murder-suicides a couple of years ago now? How adding extra security to people who have access to their firearms no matter how much security is added is an odd idea. Most security is to deter unauthorised from accessing the firearms by making it difficult for them to get access. This does not prevent the authorised from getting to them when their dander is up and they are out of sorts about who is going to get the farm.[Always a very prickly topic in Ireland]

    PULSE appears to be a rather flawed system, which adds to the admin burden for the AGS, lots of mistakes, lots of re-scrubs, lots of extra work for AGS and increased irritation for us licensees.

    Next time you are in your station, ask them nicely if they would show you how PULSE works for your personal information page to see how bad it really is.

    It is quite frankly, horrible to work and not fit for purpose, and as dated now as the original Windows 95 that came out soon after PULSE became operational.It seriously needs a complete overhaul along with possible integration to the proposed new license of the one in, one out of the same type and calibre at a gun dealer. If that ever gets off the ground.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • #13
    otmmyboy2
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,936 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122879159#Comment_122879159

    Unfortunately PULSE is only as good as the system it is built on(extremely outdated) and the data input(often extremely inaccurate).
    No surprise there then that it is extremely lacking in every aspect.

    I knew a guy who on renewal he was asked why he had a revolver licenced for clay shooting..
    Turns out the clueless FO had marked the Webley and Scott 12 gauge side by side he had licenced as a 12 guage Webley revolver.
    For clays..
    And it was granted 🤣

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • #14
    Kat1170
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭Kat1170


    Wonder does a Ring video doorbell count for said CCTV question. It records video 🤔



  • #15
    Nekarsulm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,293 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    When I told the Guard I was a member of "X" gun club, he asked if they did pistol shooting.

    No I said, they rear pheasants and manage areas of game sanctuary, and run clay pigeon shoots.

    He wanted the eircode , but it doesn't have one...



  • #16
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,285 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    PULSE = Police Using Latest Systems Effectively

    'Latest' being the problem word here.

    PULSE now means:

    Police Using Long-outdated Systems Erroneously

    Not your ornery onager



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