HKC 10270 Self Install

Eire192 · 05-11-2024 12:33PM #1

Hi guys, Looking for some advice.

I have a maybe 20 year old hkc alarm in my house. I've since build a shed and garden room and would like to have them all on the alarm and have app control of them..

I'm thinking of getting a new hkc 10270 and keep most of the stuff in the house wired and then add rf sensors for shed and garden room.

Questions

Is there much to installing these. I'm an electrician myself but never done anything with alarms...
Can I have the house/Shed/Gardens room separated within the hkc app. As in is it possible to unset the house when I come home but the shed and garden room are still armed ?
Can I hardwire the new panel to modem or do I need to buy a wifi card or something for connectivity?
Each sensor having its own zone ? Seen guys talking about this on other pages on here. It seems the way to go for best control,indication & fault finding.. true ??

If I go ahead at this I'll probably have a load more questions as I go but thats all for now. I do see some names on here like altor and others that are excellent at responding to questions and helping people out. Its geat to have a forum like this to go to.

altor · 05-11-2024 07:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058379445/hkc-10270-self-install

Adding RF devices depends on the signal from the main control panel to the shed.

In an ideal world you could of either ran a cable from the control panel to the shed and used either a wired or RF expander depending on which suited. Again, you would need to test this ro be sure first.

You can setup blocks on the 10270 which will let you are different areas independently.

They have a gsm/wifi unit or you can install a lan adapter.

In an ideal world a sensor per zone makes life easier so depending on how the old system was wired this will help you decide what zones or extra zones you may need to expand the system.

You can also use wired RF HKC sensors and wire wired zones out of them if you did have loops you wanted to break down further.

Eire192 · 06-11-2024 12:46AM

Brilliant thanks for the reply.

Shed is only maybe 10m from the pannel location so I reckon I'll be ok..

What is the best sensor to go on windows in the bedrooms. I got new windows in today and want to buy new wired sensors for them.. looking on hkc website there's

1 contact w/shock

2 ID contact w/shock

3 zone module w/contact

What's the difference with them..?

altor · 06-11-2024 04:50PM

1 contact w/shock

Shock with a contact to show opening.

2 ID contact w/shock

Same as above but its an ID sensor. This means you could have a loop of sensors on one zone and know which sensor activated as each one has its own point ID.

3 zone module w/contact

Contact with ID built in.

Eire192 · 08-11-2024 08:54PM

Thanks altor.

I got the extra slim inertia sensors with mc for the 4 bedrooms today. Just got new windows in the house..

What is the wiring diagram for them look like.. 1 sensor 1 cable to 1 zone in the pannel.. thanks again.

altor · 09-11-2024 02:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122817780#Comment_122817780

One cable to the sensor.

1 + 2 Red and Black

3 + 4 Blue and Yellow ( Tamper )

5 + 6 loop of cable

Eire192 · 11-11-2024 10:39PM

Is there any issues mounting the extra slim sensor horizontally but at the 45° on the window frame ?? See pic for what I mean..

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Thanks

altor · 13-11-2024 05:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828977#Comment_122828977

No issue at all

Eire192 · 13-11-2024 06:29PM

Perfect thanks.. they have sum self aligning senson in them so wasn't sure. Usually I would just point the arrow upwards.. thanks

altor · 13-11-2024 07:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122835658#Comment_122835658

Yes they do. The head itself was designed by Astec and sold with the old Astec company to HKC before they made them obsolete.

Eire192 · 21-11-2024 11:09PM

Quick question lads, Does a wired sensor on its own zone need to be added at the keypad or is it good to go once wired in ?

altor · 22-11-2024 06:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122868103#Comment_122868103

Once you wire into the zone you have the option to go to the zone menu and change its type or other options for that zone.

Eire192 · 25-11-2024 03:53PM

Just picked up 2 of the miniature RF sensors today for 2 windows... Do these have in shock sensors in them or are they just Magnetic contacts.. im worried the ones I got are just a contact and won't do anything if window was broken. Looking at HKC website looks like i want RF-MCSW.. I attached pics of what i got. thanks

altor · 25-11-2024 03:56PM

They are just the contact type

Eire192 · 25-11-2024 05:54PM

Cheers, I'll swap them tomorrow..

altor · 26-11-2024 03:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122883251#Comment_122883251

No bother at all

Eire192 · 28-11-2024 08:07PM

Got the correct rf miniature sensors. The magnetic contact is only one one side of them.. its the wrong side for one of my windows. Do I mount the sensor upside to correct this or will I just stick the sensor on the opening part of the window and the magnet on the frame. Just wondering what ye guys would do?

T hanks

altor · 28-11-2024 08:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122897873#Comment_122897873

Handy thing about wire free sensors is no cables so you can mount them either way to suit yourself

Eire192 · 29-11-2024 11:07PM

Just signed up on the HKC website, I was going about getting the app online and gsm connected. Says they will get back to me in a few days !!!

That normal ??

altor · 01-12-2024 08:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122902914#Comment_122902914

Sounds like you tried to signup as an installer?

Eire192 · 02-12-2024 09:11PM

That's exactly what I did 🙈. I can't find anything to just sign up as an end user tho. ?

Eire192 · 04-12-2024 01:33PM

Looking a the pir's on the hkc website.. there is a Dual and a Quad PIR. what is the difference in the two. There going in my sitting room, kitchen and the hall.

Can the be wires into a normal zone or do they have to be ID bus ?

Thanks

cctvdirectonline · 04-12-2024 01:39PM

Dual PIR has two detection elements. It detects motion by comparing the signals received by its two elements. This reduces false alarms caused by environmental factors like sunlight, small animals, or air drafts.

Quad PIR has four detection elements and is more accurate with better immunity to false alarms. More reliable in high-traffic areas.

Sitting Room: A dual PIR may suffice if it's a controlled environment (e.g., no pets). If there are larger windows or fluctuating temperatures, a quad PIR is better.
Kitchen: Use a quad PIR due to heat sources (ovens, stoves) that can trigger false alarms in dual PIRs.
Hall: A dual PIR is usually adequate unless it's a long or wide hallway, in which case a quad PIR may provide better coverage.

Standard PIR sensors (both dual and quad) are typically wired into a normal zone on an alarm panel.
If the sensors are part of an addressable system (e.g., using an ID Bus), they may require additional configuration and compatibility with your alarm system.

altor · 04-12-2024 07:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122914850#Comment_122914850

Securecomm has a portal that you can signup on.

Eire192 · 09-01-2025 09:15PM

Hi guys, I have the alarm system up and running and I am very happy with it, I want to say a big thanks to the few who answered all my questions on here and by PM so far, I really appreciate the help, there's very little info on these alarms online and being able to bounce questions off people in the know is invaluable.

I had my father call up the other day when we were out and he knocked on the front door. The alarm went off. From when I can see on logs and retrying it myself it seems the alarm went off after the 30sec entry timer counted down but the door never opened to start the timer. It seems a knock sets off the timer counting down as if some entered the home. Have i possibly a setting wrong .. its a miniature wireless rf contact & shock sensor on the front door.

Thanks

altor · 10-01-2025 03:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123038951#Comment_123038951

Depending on the door You could just have a contact installed as apposed to the Inertia/Contact.

Also, you have gross and pulse setting which can be adjusted for these sensors, 1-9.

0 gross and 0 pulse switched it off.

Eire192 · 11-01-2025 04:55PM

The sensor is definitely the RF-MCS miniature RF sensor.. i thought it was possibly just a setting or something..

If i set gross & pulse to 0, I may aswell just have the contact sensor without shock.

With the alarm set if I bang on the front door or someone puts something in the letter box the 30 second timer starts instead of the alarm just going off instantly..

altor · 11-01-2025 05:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123044731#Comment_123044731

Most cases would just have a contact on the front door for the reasons you just named above.

If you have remote access then you can always turn the alarm off when it goes off but its not a great way to leave the system.

Eire192 · 11-01-2025 11:17PM

Do you mean in most cases you would only have a contact on the front door and no shock/inertia sensor..

Thanks

Wossack · 12-01-2025 01:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123045953#Comment_123045953

that’s my experience anyway - else you get the letter box, or an enthusiastic knock setting it off

altor · 12-01-2025 02:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123045953#Comment_123045953

Yes, and for the reasons you mentioned above.

HKC 10270 Self Install

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