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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,766 ✭✭✭threeball


    This has been going on all year with documentaries on Oct 7th but barely anything about the horrors of Gaza bar bits on the news. Same when a few Isreali soldiers died, we got names, smiley photos, family backstorys but zip when 30 or 40 Palestinian kids get evaporated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,766 ✭✭✭threeball


    That won't matter to the US. They make their own rules when it comes to this stuff. They've been on the wrong side of history almost consistently since the end of WW2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Some pivoting alright.
    And the US (nor Israel) are signatories to the Rome Statute/ICC. So not sure exactly what they're getting worked up about…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,766 ✭✭✭threeball


    They'll probably celebrate by launching a thermobaric into a refugee camp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It's very complex…

    ATT - arms trade treaty

    IHl - international humanitarian law

    States that supply weapons to a party to an ongoing armed conflict can be considered particularly influential in ensuring respect for IHL owing to their ability to provide or withhold the means by which wars are fought and IHL violations may be committed. In some situations, States may enjoy a position of influence because they import weapons from a party to an armed conflict or for other reasons. States must use this leverage to induce respect for IHL, in particular where there is a foreseeable risk that IHL violations may be committed. Conditioning, restricting or halting transfers of weapons are practical means in the power of arms transferring States to prevent and stop IHL violations. Influential States must take positive action even when the weapons they supply are not implicated in IHL violations.

    Individuals, including government officials and business employees, that transfer arms to a party to an armed conflict can, in certain circumstances, be held criminally responsible for aiding in the commission of war crimes and other serious international crimes committed with supplied arms.

    A State party to the ATT may be internationally responsible for a breach of its obligations under the Treaty. All States may be internationally responsible for a breach of their obligation to respect and ensure respect for IHL in all circumstances (Article 12, ILC ASR).

    In addition, a State that supplies weapons to a party to an armed conflict may, under certain conditions, be internationally responsible for aiding or assisting in the commission of an internationally wrongful act by that party (Art 16, ILC ASR), or in maintaining a situation of serious breach of an obligation arising under a peremptory norm of general international law (Art 41.2, ILC ASR).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,313 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    One of the ICC people says he was personally told by an anonymous western leader that the international rules order doesn't apply to Israel - it is only supposed to be used against countries that the West doesn't like (which shows what a huge deal today's decision is).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,766 ✭✭✭threeball


    Major decision but it remains to be seen if the ICC has any teeth or is it just another UN.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭Vestiapx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,151 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    All that matters is that there is an arrest warrant out for the criminal Netanyahu. He's now on the same scale as Putin, Kim and even Hitler. The Yanks can say what they like but he's been called out for the war criminal murderer he is and nothing can change that. A disgraced child murderer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,313 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Also, it creates a massive dilemma for the three Zionist supporting states, the US, UK and Germany going forward. Journalists can ask their leaders what on earth they are doing supporting a war crimes suspect and someone who has an international arrest warrant out against him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,151 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    In all fairness thats been the response to anyone that has criticized Israel and the IDF - even here in this thread.So do you blame Israeli supporters for towing the party line so to speak. Theyre all very quiet after this announcement.

    Its sickening that this is the way the leader of their country responds to a court that was responsible for the arrest and sentencing of that same court that went after the instigators of the holocaust.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Biden: ICC warrants against Israeli leaders are outrageous.

    When one old idiot will be replaced by another it’s not exactly inspiring times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,313 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The **** is a war criminal, there's little doubt about it now. I hope he never sets foot in Ireland again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,712 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Israel is America's hard man should anything kick off with Iran in the future, and there are multiple "hawks" in US political circles who are just itching for some sort of confrontation over there. Thus Israel are very important to have onside in that region.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,712 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Netanyahu won't be around forever and I'd say there's a good few in the US who like to see him out of the picture altogether. At present Israel presents a sticky situation for the US. But it isn't one that they are completely unused to. Remember, America has a history of supporting despotic regimes, and that includes Israel when they've acted like animals before.

    Some countries may sit back and wag their finger at the States, but they won't actually do anything to rock the boat that much. France may hold off some weapons deliveries and Spain too, but they won't go too far.

    They are a strange type of ally, but they are also one that are more than willing go OTT as well, and that can come in handy sometimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,712 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Starmer's in a weird position. He's essentially a lapdog to Israel and together they stabbed Corbyn in the back, but he's also a lawyer (human rights as well) so he's in a rock and a hard place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,712 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Exactly.

    People wondering why the States are supporting a terrible regime need only to look at the history of it's foreign policy with regards to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Further evidence that Israel is only concerned with taking land that does not belong to it and settling it:

    Haaretz:
    The IDF announced that Sgt. Gur Kehati was killed in combat in southern Lebanon on Wednesday alongside an Israeli civilian, Ze'ev Erlich, who entered with troops against orders. The Golani Brigade headquarter chief, Col. (res.) Yoav Yarom, who allowed Erlich's entry into Lebanon in breach of military protocols, was moderately wounded in the incident.

    • Israel's Military Police has opened an investigation into Erlich's entry to a combat zone. A far-right organization advocating for settlement in southern Lebanon said that Erlich was mapping out sites in Lebanon "which will need to be excavated once the territory is in our hands."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,654 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    BN is some craic calling the decision against him anti semitic. It's clearly not, as he needs to answer for ethnic cleansing, mass murder of innocents, starving of women and children etc.

    If he walked down the street and murdered someone in front of the world, he'd claim the prosecution was anti semitic.

    Looking forward to seeing him in a dock someday.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,604 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    That's true, but it will be harder for them to use concepts as human rights, respect for international law and a rules based order as a geo political weapon while they continue to give cover to accused war criminals . This episode has exposed their bs about a rules based order- that's only for countries they oppose to follow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,313 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Not sure the penny has dropped yet with the western (mostly US, UK and German) politicians and media that their cover has been blown and most of the world can see how hypocritical they are. They are letting their international reputation and credibility be absolutely shredded by their love affair with Israel and Netanyahu - this will really damage them in the long run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭circadian


    I suspect that the Labour Friends of Israel will be working fastidiously to remove that one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    UK home secretary basically says it is not her job to talk about if the mass murderer will be arrested if entering the UK

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,313 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Isn't she a bigwig in that 'Labour Friends of Israel' thing? Compromised doesn't even begin to describe it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    And yet some people view them as the good guys still. The power of media propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,654 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    History isn't going to look back favourably on the US, UK, Germany etc on this crisis.

    I know the US couldn't care less, but the other 2 should.

    This passed being a retaliation for Oct 7th attacks a long time ago. Everyone can now see it for what it is. Ethnic cleansing, land grabbing, and trying to kill the next generation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,604 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Just Imagine if she gave that answer if she was being asked about Putin shortly after the arrest warrant was issued for him.

    Of course there would be no equivocation from her then, she would be very forthcoming about her own opinion on the matter and the obligations of the UK. There is no difference between the Tories and Labour when it comes to defending Israel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Erlich was a Jewish “historian” along with them to find archeological evidence that it was israeli land. He reached the FO part of FAFO



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