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Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,751 ✭✭✭✭L1011




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭p.pete


    Apologies if this is the wrong thread but…

    I am looking to fly between Exeter and Dublin (direct) around the dates of January 23rd or 24th and returning around the 26th or 27th. I have a little flexibility with dates, as I know normally flights Exeter to Dublin are not every day of the week, but roughly around then. At the moment I don't see any flights after roughly Jan 5th, and they start up again in February. Am I doing something wrong, or are there 'almost' no flights planned in January for that route?

    edit: To add, obviously Aer Lingus are the best* people to speak to, but I'm trying to avoid that if possible. I've called Exeter airport and spoken to two different people who may as well have been bots, as well as speaking to an actual Aer Lingus bot

    *laughable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 257 ✭✭Gary walsh 32


    I checked myself and it looks like the last flight is the 5th of January and starts back up on the 7th of February



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭p.pete


    Cheers. Is this normal on some of their regional routes - just to skip a quiet month? Appreciate some flights can be seasonal but pretty sure I managed to fly last Jan… Ah well, Bristol's easy enough



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,265 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    Yeah not that unusual tbh, a few routes drop off that would be totally dead for a number of weeks after the Christmas rush.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    other thing is the cap, possibly removed to accommodate the cap (which is still there for the winter season).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    I don't really want to go down the politics road and the new president elect etc etc but with potential for volatility in the economy, fuel prices, and general things, does this not leave EI really exposed with all their atlantic routes? They seem to be betting the house on this one!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    But there is always potential for volatility, regardless who the president is. Not really sure where you are going or want to go with that comment, but regardless who the president of the US, i'd be fairly certain didn't play a sinlge factor on the routes EI fly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    If the incoming administration decide to cut off the favourable tax breaks and introduce trade tariffs, it might mean US companies here may reduce presence in Ireland which in turn would negatively affect business travel requirements.

    Leisure travel could also be dampened as some casual holidaymakers might just be put off visiting what they are see as a Trump controlled toxic environment and opt for countries they feel better about wanting to experience for their holidays. Personally I always LOVED America and have visited it 20+ times for holidays and to visit relatives over the past 3 decades but I regrettably just do not feel the same about the country anymore after the recent toxic turn of events and could easily skip ever going back if the proposed new landscape/Project 2025 is the way things will be. Most leisure travellers are probably indifferent but I wonder if there will be some degree of a negative travel effect?

    Transit traffic won't be affected and I think that may be the bread and butter revenue for all these new routes so they're probably safe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    You are not sure where I am going or want to go? I thought it was fairly easy to be honest. Increased volatility in the US can very easily reduce leisure or business flying to/from US destinations and EI is heavily depending on that traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    I suppose in a lot of ways, thats what I wanted to say and much like yourself have been going back and forth across the pond over the decades and I have no real desire to go there in the short to medium term. At this stage you would have to wonder would EI planners look towards CPT (Did they fly there around 2003) or over east now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    It is of course a possibility but where else could Aer Lingus fly and still make the kind of money they do across the Atlantic?

    I’d hazard a guess that any kind of downturn that impacts transatlantic would also make flying east or south pretty challenging. In fact, going east looks less and less appealing; European airlines are reducing capacity to China as the market softens, the Russian airspace ban makes it increasingly difficult and anywhere else would likely be very low yielding and well covered by the ME3 who would be hard to compete with.

    South Africa is a nightmare for aircraft utilisation, with little business links, zero feed and no geographical advantage it would be an overly expensive leisure route. The Caribbean or Mexico could do the same job on a much cheaper and more fleet friendly basis but the Irish consumer has limited exposure to this kind of destination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 StakeholderValue


    Don’t need to rely on the Irish consumer for Caribbean/Mexico. If the price is right (and it normally is) then large numbers of pax will be transfers to/from UK and Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,138 ✭✭✭Comhrá


    Exactly my own thoughts. I had 20+ trips to the US from the late 70s to the late 00s and I used love travelling around there. Managed to see about half of the 50 states during that time.

    Now I have lost all desire to go back there since seeing how ugly the social/political scene has become in recent years.

    Seems I'm not the only one with such sentiments.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    I don't think the new admin will make any impact in the immediate to short term.

    IMO any impact will be beyond 18 months. I don't think we will see US companies upping sticks in 2025. But any planned investment or expansion might be paused, in order to assess the new administration.

    As stated above there may be some drop off in Euro→USA leisure traffic. But if the US dollar stays strong leisure traffic the other should be fine.

    Americans don't travel in times of global conflict or uncertainty. Thus, early 2027 might be a period where we see a drop in US foreign travel*

    *based on China having enough expeditionary amphibious capacity and suitable weather conditions in the Taiwan Strait.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,651 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    Slightly off topic regarding what US administration is in office, But how did that affect tourists from going to the USA. Was in the US prior to 911 then back again under Obama and recently under Biden. I never felt unwelcome while there. Was planning on going back next year for the honeymoon and apart from how expensive the US has got.(Lads from work have relations there) who travel once a year. W



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭x567


    That’s all very true, but EI and the other IAG carriers do all seem to be becoming increasingly siloed and over-dependent on the Americas. Maybe this is the maturity and highly-invested quality of the ME3 networks taking effect? If EI were independent, they would really have to be looking at some risk management strategies and trying to find options for profitable routes outside of their almost exclusively NA/TA current focus. If I were looking at strategies, I’d be contemplating more long haul leisure routes (esp Caribbean / Cancun) which I think from my own experiences could garner a lot of transfer traffic from EU feeds; maybe CPT as a leisure route (only because it seems to command high fares), and as an outside possibility also some ULH routes to Aus, overflying the competition. That said, I’d probably also cosy up to QR and try to approach their service standards as a Dub/Doh partner. The Atlantic traffic won’t dry up of course, but it might well suffer a demand reduction and a more aggressive competitive environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Sounds good on paper, essentially replicating what they already do to North America via DUB but there’s a few issues. It’s already a traditionally lower yielding market compared to their bread and butter US network, they’d also be competing with establish leisure carriers who already offer non-stop options at competitive fares; Virgin, Tui, Condor etc. so undercutting them is a sure fire way to lose money.

    It’s also one way tourist traffic, the current model works well because the passenger profile is varied with a healthy balance of Irish, US and European passengers filling flights. You’d be relying purely on Irish and few European connections on dirt cheap fares to fill flights to the Caribbean or Mexico.

    It’s certainly not impossible to imagine Aer Lingus attempting this in the near future, but at best it’ll be a 2-3 weekly seasonal route. Certainly not enough to ever be considered a risk management strategy or significant diversification of the network that would help the overall business in the event of a US downturn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    EI-XLR had a taxi test and RTO today. That’s its first movement in over seven weeks and almost month for any of the production XLR’s were seen.

    Been talk of a delay to delivery, was originally expect today.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 257 ✭✭Gary walsh 32




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    I texted a mate. He says thats an A320 ferry flight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭Shamrockj


    That is -GAL coming back to Dublin from

    Shannon after repaint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 257 ✭✭Gary walsh 32




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 257 ✭✭Gary walsh 32


    Screenshot_20241122_122321_Flightradar24.jpg

    in the air now another flight test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭Qaanaaq


    D-AZXY is off on another test flight from XFW at the moment. Hopefully delivery will be soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Touristx73


    Does anyone know if Aer Lingus could consider DUB-IAH, it’s the 4th largest city in the US, I know there isn’t a huge Irish diaspora compared to say, Chicago or New York, but the sheer population and oil industry must create some demand. Aswell, is there any chance of them coming back to their plans to fly to South Africa, and would they pick Cape Town or Johannesburg. I imagine Cape Town would have more tourist demand, but Johannesburg would probably generate more high yielding business traffic?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,751 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Its a fortress hub for an airline they no longer work with. If there was demand, United would be on it; and if Aer Lingus go in, United may do what Delta are doing on MSP and go in too - destroying yield.

    The issues with South African routes are manyfold and are discussed in recent posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Touristx73


    Ok, thanks, that makes sense. Maybe United will go on this route. I’ve heard rumours of Aer Lingus starting San Diego, is there any credibility to this?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Where are you reading these rumours? They already cover SFO & LAX on the west coast. I'd say there is ZERO chance they'll be covering that route



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